Gentleman I have some fantastic news, my brother In Law works for Remington and has just informed me this evening that the R51 is coming soon, 2000 have already been produced in the new Huntsville facility and apparently Para Ordinance guns will now have Remington's name on them.

Any further info that I receive I will bring here immediately. But rest assured this word is from an actual Remington employee.

Quote from: RED HORSE on April 21, 2016, 08:34:40 PMI don't need a law degree to know that I do have a legal right to be made whole when I returned a defective product with the promise the product would be replaced by a safe product.

And they've fulfilled that obligation by offering you either a one-for-one replacement with a R1 or a 100% refund.  That's pretty much all you have the rights to.

QuoteAnd I'm sure much to your disappointment, at 73 years of age, there are many times I haven't gotten my way.

My disappointment?  What makes you think I'm interested in that?  I am simply telling you that you don't have any legal rights to insider information.

QuoteHowever, I have always received what I was legally entitled too and I will this time also.  Promise.

They've already offered you that and, apparently, you keep refusing.  <shrug>

Not sure why people argue with each other over this stuff.  A few points here:

1) Remington sold me a gun and I returned it the next day with the promise of having it returned three weeks later, repaired.  That did not happen.  It's been over 2 years now and they have not returned my gun.

2) I have a 1911.  I neither desire another one, nor did I ask for one.  If I ordered a Big Mac at McDonalds and it didn't have any special sauce, I would take it back to the counter and ask them to make it right.  So, I get a new Big Mac, right?  If not, I get my money back.  My choice, correct?  I don't want a motherf***ing Quarter Pounder, even if it sells for more.

3) This isn't about money.  Taking money out of the equation, I am asking for specific performance of the contract I had with Remington to repair the firearm or replace it.  An R1 does not shoot the 9mm ammunition I have nor does it fit in my R51 holster or take my R51 laser. So, if it's about money, my worthless holster, laser, and ammo aren't reimbursable so I lose money trading for the R1.  Good luck selling an R51 holster if they don't make the Gen2.  Good luck mounting my laser to an R1.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 07, 2016, 01:25:18 AM
Not sure why people argue with each other over this stuff.  A few points here:

1) Remington sold me a gun and I returned it the next day with the promise of having it returned three weeks later, repaired.  That did not happen.  It's been over 2 years now and they have not returned my gun.

2) I have a 1911.  I neither desire another one, nor did I ask for one.  If I ordered a Big Mac at McDonalds and it didn't have any special sauce, I would take it back to the counter and ask them to make it right.  So, I get a new Big Mac, right?  If not, I get my money back.  My choice, correct?  I don't want a motherf***ing Quarter Pounder, even if it sells for more.

3) This isn't about money.  Taking money out of the equation, I am asking for specific performance of the contract I had with Remington to repair the firearm or replace it.  An R1 does not shoot the 9mm ammunition I have nor does it fit in my R51 holster or take my R51 laser. So, if it's about money, my worthless holster, laser, and ammo aren't reimbursable so I lose money trading for the R1.  Good luck selling an R51 holster if they don't make the Gen2.  Good luck mounting my laser to an R1.

Well said.  I agree completely.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 07, 2016, 01:25:18 AM
Not sure why people argue with each other over this stuff.  A few points here:

1) Remington sold me a gun and I returned it the next day with the promise of having it returned three weeks later, repaired.  That did not happen.  It's been over 2 years now and they have not returned my gun.

2) I have a 1911.  I neither desire another one, nor did I ask for one.  If I ordered a Big Mac at McDonalds and it didn't have any special sauce, I would take it back to the counter and ask them to make it right.  So, I get a new Big Mac, right?  If not, I get my money back.  My choice, correct?  I don't want a motherf***ing Quarter Pounder, even if it sells for more.

3) This isn't about money.  Taking money out of the equation, I am asking for specific performance of the contract I had with Remington to repair the firearm or replace it.  An R1 does not shoot the 9mm ammunition I have nor does it fit in my R51 holster or take my R51 laser. So, if it's about money, my worthless holster, laser, and ammo aren't reimbursable so I lose money trading for the R1.  Good luck selling an R51 holster if they don't make the Gen2.  Good luck mounting my laser to an R1.

You guys seem to have some unrealistic beliefs about the legal concept of "Being Made Whole."  Offering either a replacement or a 100% refund IS BEING MADE WHOLE.  Remington has completely fulfilled its obligation to Make you Whole by those two options.  If you go into McDonalds, order a Big Mac, get told that they can't give you one, offer you a Quarter Pounder OR a full refund, that's 100% completely ethical. What's so hard about this concept?

Take money out of the equation?  That's, frankly, laughable.  Red Horse, IMS, threatened to take Remington to Small Claims Court.  If he somehow managed to get a Judgment, you know what it would be?  100% refund.  :rolleyes:

So, yeah, I'm not sure why people are arguing over this stuff.  I think it's due to a prevailing sense of Entitlement in our society.