R51 fired without cartridge fully seated.

Chokejug · January 23, 2018, 04:59:22 PM

Ouch!

NOT GOOD!

R51Fan2017 · January 23, 2018, 05:27:04 PM

Be thankful that the gun did what it was intended to do in this situation.........blow it out the bottom through the mag and out the bottom of the gun. Did Remington give you grief about having a case stuck in the barrel and sending it in like that? Also, the problem to me looks like crap ammo. I completely understand you being nervous about that particular gun, but if it were me, I would have bought a new barrel and magazine, and kept plugging along with the same gun. But that's just me. Most importantly, glad you are ok!

buckhammer · January 23, 2018, 10:48:55 PM

Not crap ammo, Winchester white box. Thousands of rounds of that stuff through several different 9mm pistols without incident.

funflyer · January 24, 2018, 10:06:00 AM

Quote from: buckhammer on January 23, 2018, 10:48:55 PM
Not crap ammo, Winchester white box. Thousands of rounds of that stuff through several different 9mm pistols without incident.

Appears to be a factory reload, not new manufacture.

lklawson · January 24, 2018, 10:30:14 AM

Quote from: buckhammer on January 23, 2018, 10:48:55 PM
Not crap ammo, Winchester white box. Thousands of rounds of that stuff through several different 9mm pistols without incident.

Was it WWB bulk pack or a 50 round box?

Many people have come to believe that WWB is synonymous with "cheap crap ammo" just a small step above imported steel case ammo.

It has been reported that bulk pack boxes (usually loose rounds in a box of 100) are lower quality even for WWB. The speculation is that it is "factory seconds" which fail higher quality checks but still make SAAMI minimum specs.

There is at least one firearms manufacturer I know of which has officially recommended against WWB.

To be clear, I'm not saying that the cause of this malfunction was definitively "crap ammo," I'm just saying that WWB has a pretty poor reputation and saying that the ammo was WWB is not the same as saying that the ammo is high quality.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

buckhammer · January 24, 2018, 02:20:28 PM

Kirk,
Thanks for the info on the winchester. It is 50 round boxes. Fortunately that was my last box. I do shoot other practice 9mm ammo so maybe I'll just steer clear of the Win white box.

R51Fan2017 · January 24, 2018, 02:52:33 PM

Quote from: buckhammer on January 24, 2018, 02:20:28 PM
Kirk,
Thanks for the info on the winchester. It is 50 round boxes. Fortunately that was my last box. I do shoot other practice 9mm ammo so maybe I'll just steer clear of the Win white box.

Good idea!

Chokejug · January 24, 2018, 04:19:25 PM

They make some crap shotgun ammo as well!
I have seen literally hundreds of split brass on especially 28 ga, and some .410.

What happens is that they try to run the brass case head through the very last forming dies, and its already been too "work hardened" by the previous forming without any anealing.

Thats on their "preimium" shotgun ammo.
AA or Double A loads.

They came to the point where they couldnt make anything but crap guns and have been approaching that same point with ammo for quite a few years now.

And there is some signs that Rem is following in their foot steps. Guns for sure the past few years! So, the R51 startup is kinda par for the course. I had hoped for the better. But I have enjoyed the challenge getting these things running as well.

At least Rem still makes one peice shotgun shells.
That is a bigger deal than it sounds.

Back when Win switched over to separate base wad, multiple piece hulls, they cost at lot of people gun barrels. The base wad would come loose and go part way out into the barrel. Win never admitted a thing and just quietly designed a sort of fix. Then swapped all of their production to being like the Euro trash ammo.

I lost one barrel on an autoloader, but that was from a Federal paper base wad hull.

buckhammer · February 02, 2018, 04:02:03 PM

Another Update.

I've called and emailed Remington several times, no information or update. Their attorney replied to my email on 17 Jan apologizing for the delay and said he would look into it. Nothing last week so I thought maybe they were busy with Shot Show (I'm throwing them a bone here...). Today when I called the repair center they said the R51 was at "product services" and they had no information on it, no way to find out, and recommended I call the attorney back for an update. I called the attorney and left yet another voicemail requesting an update. Sad what Remington has come to, this is really just about the worst customer service ever from a firearm manufacturer. They could learn a few lessons about customer service from Ruger. It's bad enough to have a problem with a gun, worse when its a potential liability for the company, but abysmal when they couldn't care less to even follow-up with the customer or respond to repeated requests for a call-back or email update. Very frustrated and I bet you a dollar, a new R51 will just show up in the mail with no explanation. I just want my money back...

R51Fan2017 · February 02, 2018, 04:28:47 PM

What a shame. I am really disappointed one of our long-time, premier gun makers has fallen so far. Really sad. You are more than likely going to be correct about having a new one show up in the mail. Hey, if you do, make it a quick turnaround and I will PM you my address! I know where you can off load it!

1911SHOOTER · February 02, 2018, 05:56:58 PM

Sean,
I agree with you, if Buckhammer wants to get rid of his R51, I would take it
too. But you have first dibs.
I have two R51s and if they are going to be collector's items at least they will
be shooters.
Blackie
Blackie

Aznav · February 26, 2018, 08:34:12 PM

Sigh, typical newbie. I just figured out what "Big Green" is. I can't believe, after all the negative publicity, they would make such crap mags. Also, and, yes, it may just be me, I have not done well with Winchester White Box with my 51. That's when I switched to 124 grain. Yet I am reading that others have done fine with other 115 bullets from other brands.

R51Fan2017 · February 27, 2018, 08:38:02 AM

Quote from: Aznav on February 26, 2018, 08:34:12 PM
Sigh, typical newbie. I just figured out what "Big Green" is. I can't believe, after all the negative publicity, they would make such crap mags. Also, and, yes, it may just be me, I have not done well with Winchester White Box with my 51. That's when I switched to 124 grain. Yet I am reading that others have done fine with other 115 bullets from other brands.

Aznav,

What we have here is a penny pinching problem. I am sure higher management encouraged the engineers to make a magazine that would be compatible with both 9mm and 40 S&W (there has been rumor that they might introduce a 40 in the future). What they haven't figured out is that you can't make ONE magazine that fits TWO calibers. If you do, bad stuff is going to happen. And it has.

1911SHOOTER · February 27, 2018, 10:37:49 AM

Todd,
I agree about Remington. Although I do have a two calibre pistol with
the same mags. My .22TCM/9MM uses the same mag for both calibres.

Blackie

russc2542 · February 27, 2018, 11:12:46 AM

Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on February 27, 2018, 10:37:49 AM
Todd,
I agree about Remington. Although I do have a two calibre pistol with
the same mags. My .22TCM/9MM uses the same mag for both calibres.

Blackie

yea but the 22tcm was specifically designed to use the same mags and has they fit the same outside dimensions minus the neck area.