Trigger Mods

[Texas-Mark]

Put 2 and 2 together: my theory is the dreaded dead-trigger is a result of the disconnect sticking down. It's less common during live fire due to the violence of firing knocking it loose and more common being gentle due to the lack of knocking it loose. I didn't exactly go looking but it seems kinda odd that I haven't seen such a simple explanation in any of the threads about it.

I guess I never have any problems because I clean my guns thoroughly. I think a lot of people overlook the mag well area. I just usually spray some Gun Scrubber in the works, then lube it back up as part of my routine.

[russc2542]

Put 2 and 2 together: my theory is the dreaded dead-trigger is a result of the disconnect sticking down. It's less common during live fire due to the violence of firing knocking it loose and more common being gentle due to the lack of knocking it loose. I didn't exactly go looking but it seems kinda odd that I haven't seen such a simple explanation in any of the threads about it.

I guess I never have any problems because I clean my guns thoroughly. I think a lot of people overlook the mag well area. I just usually spray some Gun Scrubber in the works, then lube it back up as part of my routine.

I see what you said there This is the first gun of mine that's required special attention to that area (I do clean down the mag well on everything but I'll admit it's pretty casual). Looking at it, the disconnect is different than everything else in my safe: it spans the grip and is very tall. It also has very little tolerance (no space for dirt) (much unlike the trigger). Most of the rest of my pistols the disconnect a lot smaller and extends shallower with plenty of clearance so there's a LOT less area for it to catch dirt and drag. Even my P7, with as much gobbledigook as it has in the grip and in as neglected state as it was when I got it, has never had issues (Of course there's a whole different level of engineering that went into that gun)

Just another difference from other "conventional" guns: have to pay attention and make sure that spot gets cleaned/oiled.

[Ryo]

Mine feels relatively crisp, but I do hate the reset.  With most of my handguns they have a very noticeable reset.  I don't think it's a show stopper but it does annoy me a bit.  I highly doubt I'd notice the reset when shooting in real world situations.

[GMG/RhoVet/AFP]

  We continue to "peel the onion" on the issue of the R-51 trigger performance!  What I have learned so far, is that there is a surprisingly long list of mechanical interactions and variables that have  impacted trigger function.
  I appreciate the thoughtful insights and observations of what is happening with your weapons.

[1911SHOOTER]

  Guys/Gals 
     I know I will irritate scads of shooters saying this, but I was taught way back in the late forties and early fifties to simply release the trigger after each shot.  My R51 has no feel for trigger reset, but I never
noticed it until I read the comments on here.   I shoot quite well with it, and as long as I can hit
a Beer can at 50 yds, I consider that okay.  On that note, is it just me or is it easier to hit
a small target at 50 yards or the bulls eye on a paper target at the same distance.
if I am shooting in the back yard at  tin cans, I puncture them with great regularity. 
On a paper target at the same distance,  I suck. 
Blackie
   

[lklawson]

  Guys/Gals 
     I know I will irritate scads of shooters saying this, but I was taught way back in the late forties and early fifties to simply release the trigger after each shot.

Because that's a great method for shooting quickly with accuracy.

You have to get off the trigger just a quickly as you can after it goes bang.  You don't have time to hear/feel the reset if you're doubling or rapid firing.  Get off the trigger and manage the recoil to get the pistol back on target.  When you get off the trigger fast, it's really hard for the human body to ride the trigger JUUUUST to reset.  The human body likes to make "full" movements.  With the trigger finger, you pull it all the way back then you release it all the way forward.  This is how the body automatically works when under adrenal dump ("fight or flight").

Now, there are ways to train yourself out of this, but it's a lot of work to do, fights against the natural human responses, and has limited or little-to-no benefits in the vast majority of shooting circumstances.  Many people believe that it makes a ton more sense to simply train such that natural human reactions are used instead of fighting against them.  Most particularly the "Combat Shooting" instructors of the WWII and Korean Conflict era (Fairbairn, Applegate, etc.) certainly believed this and, as an example, taught students to use a "Convulsive Grip" when shooting or knife fighting.  They noted that under adrenal dump the hand will "Monkey Fist" onto whatever weapon is in hand.

Fascinatingly, this is being rediscovered by some modern pistol instructors who now teach what they call a "Crush Grip."

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

[SCurmudgeon]

On that note, is it just me or is it easier to hit a small target at 50 yards or the bulls eye on a paper target at the same distance.  If I am shooting in the back yard at tin cans, I puncture them with great regularity.  On a paper target at the same distance, I suck. 
Blackie

Here is what I thought of...

Sundance Kid:  "Can I move?  ...  I'm better when I move."

https://vimeo.com/97480953

[1911SHOOTER]

On that note, is it just me or is it easier to hit a small target at 50 yards or the bulls eye on a paper target at the same distance.  If I am shooting in the back yard at tin cans, I puncture them with great regularity.  On a paper target at the same distance, I suck. 
Blackie

Here is what I thought of...

Sundance Kid:  "Can I move?  ...  I'm better when I move."

https://vimeo.com/97480953

scurmudgeon,
Yeah, I get that.
Blackie

[megadon357]

It feels somewhat like crushing an aspirin tablet. . .  Sort of the opposite of "breaking a glass rod."

Yes.  This perfectly describes how my trigger feels.  I've only put an informal 7 shots of cheapo Tulamo thru the pistol out the back door, and have dry-fired it a couple dozen times.  The break is jarring enough that I can see my front sight move when I dry-fire one handed.  A good grip calms it down and I probably have a bit of an issue with the grip being so thin and a tad longer than I like.;