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SCurmudgeon

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Range Rental
« on: March 18, 2017, 01:42:10 PM »
I finally found a range that had an R51 to rent.  I was also able to shoot it side-by-side with the Walther CCP, M&P Shield, and Glock 43.  I've only been shooting pistols for a couple of years so I won't pretend to offer any expert reviews.  I'm just learning what I like and don't like.  Here's my two cents.

I like the grip ergonomics of the CCP better than the R51, but I can't say that the delayed gas blowback system of the CCP reduced recoil any more than the R51.  The sights on the CCP had small dots which were hard to pick up.  In general, I liked the CCP, but not as much as the R51.

I didn't care for the M&P Shield so much.  I know it is feature rich and lots of folks like them, but the grip was too thin for my taste and I didn't like the trigger.

I liked the Glock 43 more than I thought I would, but I prefer a pistol with a bit more size and heft.

The R51 had a Charlotte frame.  It didn't have any failures and I was able to rack the slide on a full mag.  I'm not a particularly good shot, but after I decided I liked the R51 best of the bunch, I tried to bear down and see how good I could shoot it.  At 15 feet I was able to put 10 rounds in 2" and there was a decent group high and left.  At 25 feet I put 20 rounds in a 4" circle.

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Re: Range Rental
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2017, 07:34:48 PM »
Thanx for the range report/first impression.  The comparisons you made were very (very) informative.  This is why I joined this forum.

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Re: Range Rental
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2017, 01:38:40 AM »
I finally found a range that had an R51 to rent.  I was also able to shoot it side-by-side with the Walther CCP, M&P Shield, and Glock 43.  I've only been shooting pistols for a couple of years so I won't pretend to offer any expert reviews.  I'm just learning what I like and don't like.  Here's my two cents.

I like the grip ergonomics of the CCP better than the R51, but I can't say that the delayed gas blowback system of the CCP reduced recoil any more than the R51.  The sights on the CCP had small dots which were hard to pick up.  In general, I liked the CCP, but not as much as the R51.

I didn't care for the M&P Shield so much.  I know it is feature rich and lots of folks like them, but the grip was too thin for my taste and I didn't like the trigger.

I liked the Glock 43 more than I thought I would, but I prefer a pistol with a bit more size and heft.

The R51 had a Charlotte frame.  It didn't have any failures and I was able to rack the slide on a full mag.  I'm not a particularly good shot, but after I decided I liked the R51 best of the bunch, I tried to bear down and see how good I could shoot it.  At 15 feet I was able to put 10 rounds in 2" and there was a decent group high and left.  At 25 feet I put 20 rounds in a 4" circle.

SCurmudgeon,
     Not bad for a short time shooter.  Concise and informative.
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Re: Range Rental
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2017, 01:43:50 PM »
Iím looking for a range plinker more than a carry piece.  I sometimes shoot with my daughters, so I also want a smaller frame with recoil mitigation features:  low bore axis, hesitation lock, heavier/metal frame, delayed gas blowback, ergo grip, etc., whatever.  That is why I was interested to shoot the Walther CCP and R51 back-to-back.

I put a lot of weight on how a pistol feels in my hand, and the CCP was head and shoulders above the R51 when I fondled them both at the counter.  And I also think the soft curves of the CCP grip did a better job of spreading felt recoil across the palm.

Still, when I shot them both, even though the R51 was a bit sharper in my palm, I like the sights and trigger of the R51 better.

Now I realize all of this is subjective.  And I did bring a bias to this evaluation.  I really did want to like the R51.  Itís too bad that Remington tripped out of the gate with this one, because otherwise, this pistol might be one of the most popular CC options going.

I canít tell you how many gun counter clerks I talk to still bad-mouth the R51.  And that is why this forum is so important.  Iím still anxious about getting a lemon Ė as a few buyers have received after the reintroduction Ė but after shooting one, Iím willing to take the plunge and have faith that Remington will be able to resolve any issues if they do arise because of what Iíve read reported here.

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Re: Range Rental
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2017, 12:06:54 AM »
I canít tell you how many gun counter clerks I talk to still bad-mouth the R51.
Most gun counter guys seem to be absolute idiots in my experience.  For free entertainment, I kid you not, I go to the gun counter at Rural King and listen to the counter guys there giving advice.  It's better than a comedy and free to boot.

I also enjoy listening to the gun counter guys at Gander Mountain too, though traffic is so low there that it's often hard to sidle up to eavesdropping distance.

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Re: Range Rental
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2017, 12:24:33 AM »
I canít tell you how many gun counter clerks I talk to still bad-mouth the R51.
Most gun counter guys seem to be absolute idiots in my experience.  For free entertainment, I kid you not, I go to the gun counter at Rural King and listen to the counter guys there giving advice.  It's better than a comedy and free to boot.

I also enjoy listening to the gun counter guys at Gander Mountain too, though traffic is so low there that it's often hard to sidle up to eavesdropping distance.

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Kirk

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What Kirk said!
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Re: Range Rental
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2017, 01:31:08 AM »
I canít tell you how many gun counter clerks I talk to still bad-mouth the R51.
Most gun counter guys seem to be absolute idiots in my experience.  For free entertainment, I kid you not, I go to the gun counter at Rural King and listen to the counter guys there giving advice.  It's better than a comedy and free to boot.

I also enjoy listening to the gun counter guys at Gander Mountain too, though traffic is so low there that it's often hard to sidle up to eavesdropping distance.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Kirk,
     Gander Mountain is in bankruptcy, closing down a bunch of stores.   I can never remember walking into
a G.M. store, even at Xmas and seeing it busy.  They are expensive also.
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Re: Range Rental
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2017, 04:15:36 AM »
Gander Mountain has been up and down for decades.  I really don't see too much difference between them and Cabelas or Bass Pro Shop except maybe the stuffed animals.  All of them carry good gear, have high prices, and yes, you can sometimes find deals at any of them.

I don't know what it is about Cabelas and BPS that makes folks want to spend their money there compared to Gander or anywhere else.  Prices are usually better at the local Farm and Fleet stores, but that is starting to change too.

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Re: Range Rental
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2017, 04:43:52 AM »
Gander Mountain has been up and down for decades.  I really don't see too much difference between them and Cabelas or Bass Pro Shop except maybe the stuffed animals.  All of them carry good gear, have high prices, and yes, you can sometimes find deals at any of them.

I don't know what it is about Cabelas and BPS that makes folks want to spend their money there compared to Gander or anywhere else.  Prices are usually better at the local Farm and Fleet stores, but that is starting to change too.

SCurmudgeon,
     Yeah, I did get my RIA baby Rock at Cabela's in Waco for $419.00.  But on average Cabela's does carry a lot of sticker shock.  We do not have Farm and Fleet stores in
this part of Texas.  We do have Academy which is not too over priced.  Other than ammo, I usually go to Bud's Gun Shop online for firearms.  Yeah, I know, the shipping
and transfer comes to about $50.00 but it costs me that much to go up to Waco or Dallas or Austin to buy a gun.  The LGS around here have high over head and it
shows in their gun prices.  My closest reasonable gun shop is over in College Station at Champions Firearms.  They have some super prices on firearms.
Not so much so on ammo.  122 miles one way. 
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SCurmudgeon

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Re: Range Rental
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2017, 05:14:54 AM »
Sometimes you have to buy it where you find it.

I am also looking at .380 pistols as potential range plinkers to shoot with my daughters, so I'm looking for heavier steel frame pistols to soak up some of that straight blowback recoil.  The only store in my area that carries the RIA Baby Rock in stock is Cabelas.

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Re: Range Rental
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2017, 06:53:49 AM »

I am also looking at .380 pistols as potential range plinkers to shoot with my daughters, so I'm looking for heavier steel frame pistols to soak up some of that straight blowback recoil.  The only store in my area that carries the RIA Baby Rock in stock is Cabelas.

Might want to look at the Browning 1911-380. You can literally rack it with 2 fingers, it is very light and has hardly any recoil.  The most fun .380 I have ever owned or shot.

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Re: Range Rental
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2017, 07:17:23 AM »
Sometimes you have to buy it where you find it.

I am also looking at .380 pistols as potential range plinkers to shoot with my daughters, so I'm looking for heavier steel frame pistols to soak up some of that straight blowback recoil.  The only store in my area that carries the RIA Baby Rock in stock is Cabelas.

SCurmudgeon,
     I would get your daughters started on a good 9MM weapon.  Soon, they will want to carry, and 9mms will be to their advantage.  I only mentioned the baby Rock because
it was a deal at Cabela's.  I do not carry it, nor does my wife.  She carries my R51.  I carry a Hi-Cap 1911 9MM and a second R51 for backup.
Teach your daughters to become accustomed to a little recoil,  In the long run, they will not even notice it.  They are a lot younger than you or I and
can handle it.  I know my daughters and granddaughter do.
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Re: Range Rental
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2017, 12:12:07 AM »
Your intuition and advice is spot on.  Oldest daughter is not intimidated by recoil.  She may very well get her CCW permit when she graduates college.  Youngest daughter doesn't care for recoil so much, but she does like to shoot.  When they were younger we put a ton of rounds down range with a Ruger 10/22 rifle.  Now we mostly shoot my Browning Hi-Power and they both love it.

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Re: Range Rental
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2017, 12:45:10 AM »
Your intuition and advice is spot on.  Oldest daughter is not intimidated by recoil.  She may very well get her CCW permit when she graduates college.  Youngest daughter doesn't care for recoil so much, but she does like to shoot.  When they were younger we put a ton of rounds down range with a Ruger 10/22 rifle.  Now we mostly shoot my Browning Hi-Power and they both love it.

SCurmudgeon,
     You are fortunate to have daughters that have not been brainwashed by the left as to firearms. 
My grand daughter is a shooter, and usually out shoots me.  She shoots a Ruger P95DC that she
appropriated from me a while back. 
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Re: Range Rental
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2017, 11:20:41 PM »
Yes, fortunately they aren't brainwashed, but it is interesting to see how being on a college campus challenges their thought process in new ways.  It makes for more interesting conversations.  They don't out-shoot me yet, but they can see better than I can, so it is only a matter of time.

 

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