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Is this problem also happening with Huntsville guns?

I have 420 rounds through my Huntsville, and nothing yet. Of course, when I work up to the 1,000 round mark, it may happen. It sounds like an inevitable problem to me. I hope I'm wrong!

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Sheesh, Pat, I am really ashamed of Remington on this deal. Of course, if you are looking to dump it, I would be happy to buy it from you, maybe for $50.  ;) Anyways, a little duct tape over the hole should keep the pin from wandering too far away from home! ;D Sorry Pat, just trying to make light of a bad situation. So much for Remington taking care of their customers. The way they have handled you is unacceptable. Something tells me the whole Pedersen block assemble is screwed up. I say that because you seemed to have been having problems with the firing pin and such before you sent it in.

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Other Guns - talk about them here / Re: Sturmgewehr 44
« on: July 05, 2018, 01:41:56 AM »
I like it, pretty cool 8). I didn't know GSG made something like that. Not knowing much about the WWII rifle, I looked it up and came across this article. Talk about an ignorant woman. The least she could have done was to talk to a gun store to know what she had. A collector would have gladly taken it out of circulation for her.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2245749/Officers-stunned-woman-drops-40-000-WWII-German-rifle-destroyed-police-buy-program.html

Thank you! It shoots very well, and is a tack driver at 25 yards. Shame that a collector didn't get first picks on that one in the article. Just goes to show you, that unless your kids promise to pass it down, it needs to go to a good home while you are still on this side of the grave. At least it was spared. Have you heard about that stash of 5000 they found in Syria a few years back? I wish we could bring those home.

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R51 General Discussion / Happy 4th to Everyone!
« on: July 04, 2018, 12:29:57 PM »
Happy 4th to everybody on the forum! And thanks to all those who serve and sacrifice so we can celebrate today!

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Other Guns - talk about them here / Sturmgewehr 44
« on: July 04, 2018, 03:06:38 AM »
Finally got my hands on one of these beauties! Made by German Sport Guns in Germany. Unfortunately it is in .22 LR and not the original 8mm Kurz, but oh well, I probably won't ever be able to afford a $20,000 dollar rifle, so I guess I have to be content with this until they come out with a bigger caliber companion for this one.

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Introductions section / Re: New to the Community
« on: July 02, 2018, 04:41:43 AM »
Welcome aboard from Louisiana! Glad you like your new pistol. More range time always helps!

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R51 General Discussion / Re: New R51 performance (video link)
« on: July 02, 2018, 04:40:19 AM »
I just got off the phone with Remington CS. Two new magazines are inbound. The representative I spoke with also suggested cutting one to two coils off the mag spring to alleviate the problems I'm experiencing. Since I've got two new mags coming, I might just give that a try on the ones I already have. He also confirmed that the R51 magazines are vender supplied. He didn't identify the vender, but I think they might want to look for a new one.

Howard

Good news. Come to think of it, I think I did have to cut a coil off one of my springs. I can't remember which mag that was though. Anyway, it did make it easier to load! :) Hope you have better luck with the new mags!

Sean

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Remington friendly customer service
« on: July 02, 2018, 12:01:36 AM »

How was their customer service back in 1858?  ;)  ;D

The oldest Remington I have is a mid-60's 511X bolt action .22.  It's a great shooter and VERY accurate.  Probably my favorite .22 rifle.  My wife has it's younger sibling in a mid-70's Remington 581 that her father gave her for her 16th birthday. (Ironically, the rifles are about 10 years apart, and so are my wife and I!)   The rifles are VERY similar, but use different magazines.

Back in high school I had an Italian replica 1858 Remington, but I can't honestly say I've ever even held a "real" one.  The replica was a good shooter, though.  I regret selling it or trading it away.  Back then, I was building a lot of CVA and Euroarms black powder kits, then would swap them for something else. I sold or traded away a lot of black powder firearms I wish I had now.

My grandfather used to go to his uncle's during the summers. He had hogs, so when slaughter time came he got to help out. That 1858 Remington has killed it's fair share of hogs I think! The trigger is all messed up on it however, (or the spring is broken) and I have not attempted a fix. The gun is in pretty decent shape cosmetically though. Still has quite a bit of old finish along with some beginnings of surface rust. So I got one of those VCI bags and put it in. To afraid to shoot it honestly. Sounds like you have a nice pair of Remington bolt actions. I have never tinkered around with bolt action .22s. I have always wanted to, but have bigger wants come along that always get in the way.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: New R51 performance (video link)
« on: July 01, 2018, 11:55:46 PM »
Thank you Sean!

I took the R51 out again this past weekend, and actually had more problems with it than I did on the first outing. I am now getting routine malfunctions with ball ammo as well as with the JHP's. I tried the mod to the magazine follower legs, and that did not seem to help. One thing that is consistent is the fact that the failures all seem to occur on the first shot from a full magazine. Most of the time, the failure comes from the magazine loosing control of the cartridge as it is trying to feed. Sometimes, I get that odd malfunction where the top cartridge is completely jettisoned from the magazine and caught between the top rear surface of the ejection port and the rear of the barrel hood. A couple of times, the top cartridge actually ejected with the spent case and the next cartridge in the column fed properly into the chamber! I also had another of the "bullet straight up" misfeeds. Oddly, the pistol itself seems to be running fine. The only actual pistol related malfunction was a single failure to eject, BUT that occurred on the first round fired (as in the cartridge in the chamber with a full 7-round magazine underneath it). That being the case, I suspect the pressure of the top round in the magazine bearing against the bottom of the hesitation block may have retarded the movement of the slide. So that malfunction too might have been magazine related. I also had my first "nose down" stoppage when a round of FMJ ammo nose-dived into the front of the magazine.

One good thing that came from my shooting this weekend was the change in point of impact on the target. By shifting may aim to coincide with the dot on the front sight vice the top of the front sight, the bullets struck more or less point of aim.

At this point, I don't think I'm going to do too much more work on the R51. Instead, I'm going to see if Remington will make good on their lifetime warranty.

Howard

Howard,

Honestly, its time for you to get another couple of mags and try. The one (or ones) that came with it obviously are FUBAR.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: New R51 performance (video link)
« on: June 29, 2018, 03:21:16 AM »
Thank you! Just as an FYI, I haven't given up on the R51, and your comment about the magazines are precisely what I thought was causing the feeding problems I experienced. You are also correct, there were only 2 failures to feed out of about 130 rounds of ammunition I fired the day I made the video. But, I only had 15 rounds of the Speer Gold Dot ammo, so the fact that both failures occurred with that ammo is a bit of a concern.

I did call Remington Customer Service, and the representative told me that the springs in their magazines are essentially "over-powered", and that they will relax with time and use. That was also consistent with my surmise, because both of the malfunctions seemed to be a result of the cartridge escaping from the magazine (or actually from the control of the feed lips) prematurely. He recommended I work with the pistol a little more to see if the mag springs relax a bit and the FTF's stop. Since that conversation, I have left my magazines fully loaded and alternated keeping them inserted in the pistol's mag well (just to put a bit more pressure on the top round as it bears against the bottom of the slide). I have not fired it since I made the video, I was waiting until this weekend to see if there is any change to the performance.

Do you suggest any other magazine modifications at this point?

thanks again,
Howard

Howard,

I made these mods before I even fired the gun. Have had zero issues with them. I simply bent the lip out straight on the front of the magazine. That solved all nosedive issues. Then to make it possible to rack the slide on a full mag, I took about 1/16" (exactly how much I can't remember) off the follower legs. Just those two mods on my mags have pretty much solved any potential problems. However, I am beginning to think that these mods are only needed on a case by case basis. That being said, it appears like you are not having nose dives, rather you are having the opposite problem of having the round eject nose first out of the mag. That I am strongly suspecting is caused by the excessive spring tension. And of course the only way to solve that is to shoot it more and limber it up. You may want to try Hyrda-Shok rounds in yours though (mine eats them all day long  ;)). Little bit better quality ammo. If it is still doing it on those, then we just know yours just doesn't like hollow points. Keep shooting, and maybe it will just go away with time. You wouldn't be the first one on here that has had to do that.

Best as always,
Sean

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R51 General Discussion / Re: New R51 performance (video link)
« on: June 29, 2018, 01:43:32 AM »
Great video, and welcome to the forum! One thing that has been repeated over and over on this forum (and it's true), is that it is not the gun that has problems, its the mags. It has proven out with a lot of folks on here, that once the mags have been straightened out, the pistol runs fine. I have north of 400 rounds through mine, and have yet to have a malfunction under live fire. I have used everything from aluminum and brass 115 gr. to Federal Hydra-Shok hollow-points, and Hornady Critical Defense and they all run fine. Are your mags bone stock, or have you done anything to them? If not, we will be happy to share the mods you may need to get yours running reliably.These pistols seem to magazine sensitive, like 1911s. Put a crappy mag in them, and they don't like it. Unfortunately, the Big Green Machine has been turning out sub-standard mags for us to use. Mags coming out with varying spring lengths etc.

Maybe that is beginning to change. I ordered a brand new mag just a few months ago, and did not do any mods to it, and it ran flawlessly with all types of ammo, both FMJ and hollow-points of various grs right up to 148. Don't give up. We will help you get it ironed out! Soon, you will have an update video that you can put out showing that little gun running 100% and let the haters chew on that! Although it did run pretty good in my opinion. If I didn't miss count, I only caught two malfunctions out of the whole video. But not ideal. Especially with defensive ammo. Like I said, we are here to help!

P.S. I noticed you were not using the sling shot method when loading this pistol like so many others who have done videos on this gun. I can tell you must have spent a great deal of time with 1911s (like me) as that is the proper way to load a 1911.  ;)

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Introductions section / Re: Hi all!
« on: June 29, 2018, 01:17:18 AM »
Welcome aboard Hrfunk. Glad to have you. I will be heading over to check out your video shortly. I need a Smoke framed version to add to the collection. Hope you enjoy your new pistol as much as the rest of us! Happy shooting!

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Iíve got close to 1000 rounds through it. Itís the Charlotte model.

All of the affected guns are in that round count range. Mine only has about 420 rounds in it, and I have no problems. I guess that means, in due time, it will rear it's ugly head with me too. Oh well, just waiting for the inevitable now! I know I sound like a broken record, but has anyone tried an over-sized or roll pin? It would save time in shipping it back to Remington, and it would also save the potential for something happening to the gun in the mail. I don't know why I have nightmares about losing my gun in the mail. So I do everything possible to avoid it. Just saying.  ;)

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Mine hits at least a good 7 inches low. And I know it isn't me because I was using a bench to steady my aim and act as a support, so I know I wasn't just shooting all over the map. Strange. I guess QC was just testing for functionality. They obviously haven't noticed our guns aren't exactly  "on target".  I think I will get another pair of sights and experiment with those instead of messing up my factory sights.

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Now mine has caught the walking pin sickness. With a mag inserted it can be easily pushed back in.  For now I just keep an eye on it. It only walked once during my range session yesterday but I know that these things donít fix themselves. If it starts happening more frequently then Iíll send it in.

Just for the record, how many rounds approx. do you have through it?

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