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R51 General Discussion / Re: Initial R51 Experiences
« on: August 14, 2017, 09:15:13 PM »
Hi DUTCH,

As I understand it now, magazines mods are twofold: slightly bend out the front, top edge between the feed lips; remove 3/16" from the bottom of the magazine follower. Sounds like that should make a lot of room for the 7+1 configuration and reduce the spring pressure in the magazine.

Shortening the legs on the follower will not change the spring pressure, but it will allow for easier 7+1 loading.  The legs on the bottom of the follower straddle the top of the spring.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Initial R51 Experiences
« on: August 11, 2017, 09:58:27 PM »
Thanks, Dutch, I'll look those up.

Thanks for the eBay link, which I'll check right now. I'll check Pachmayr to see if by any chance they are going to offer a solution. I value the gun's slimness very highly, but can't afford that at the cost of destabilizing my instinctive grip altogether.


Those Ebay grips are from keefersgrips, who is an R51 owner, a member of this forum and has posted here::

http://r51pistol.com/r51-general-discussion/remington-r51-grips/

I bought a set, and they are good quality and fit perfectly.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Initial R51 Experiences
« on: August 10, 2017, 09:19:31 PM »
Thanks to all, and additional input & insights welcome.

Any thoughts on why the gun is pounding my hand so badly? The original Rem 51 .380 fits, points & shoots beautifully. The new R51 is supposed to have thise same characteristics, and a number of reviewers confirm it, but others are suffering a pounding like I am. Wonder why it seems to be feast or famine? I've shot a LOT of pistols, and although I suffered some type of discomfort with a number of them due to various reasons, the pounding delivered by the R51 seemed unique. I need to study my grip to see if the grip is too small and I need to beef it up somehow.

There are some aftermarket wood grips that are a bit thicker than the factory grips.  See here:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p3984.m570.l1311.R6.TR6.TRC1.A0.H1.Xremington+r51+.TRS0&_nkw=remington+r51+grips&_sacat=0

They help some, but not 100%.  For me and my large hands, the small grip and the need to compress the grip safety are just plain uncomfortable to shoot with the 9mm recoil.

Shooting gloves certainly would help, but I would probably not be wearing them if the need for self defense were to happen.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Initial R51 Experiences
« on: August 10, 2017, 10:27:08 AM »
So far I've had 2 FTFs, both only with +P Remington Saber JHPs.

I will be doing the follower mod soon to the mags to chamber a round with a full mag.

It seems that the issue is with the mags,

I firmly believe that, too.  When manually stripping rounds out of a mag, they hang on each other; and none of my other 9mm pistols do that.  Remington really needs to fix their mags, because they're giving the R51 a bad name.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Feeding Problems
« on: August 07, 2017, 09:43:01 AM »

I'll try the magazine tweaks and polishing, hoping it will help, but I've bought a CZ75 compact to carry now.  Chubby and not as stylish, but it just works.

I have a CZ75 SP-01 Tactical.  It is definitely not a CC pistol, but it is highly accurate and a pleasure to shoot.

For CC, I have a CZ83 .380.  It, too, is amazingly accurate and a pleasure to shoot.  With Buffalo Bore +P ammo it has a pretty good and satisfactory hard hit.  Both of these pistols "just work", as quoted above.

I will almost certainly be selling my R51CT.

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Other Guns - talk about them here / Re: CZ75 vs R51
« on: July 27, 2017, 10:56:53 PM »
My cartridges seem to catch the rear rim of cartridge on the rear groove of the cartridge under it.  Whatever, the movement of the rounds from the mag is not smooth.

I have pretty much made the decision to sell my R51; and use my CZ83 for CC.  The R51 is just too "fussy" for me, in addition to the fact that I cannot achieve comfort with that small grip.  I'm also surprised at the amount of internal wear on the pistol after only 200-250 rounds through it.

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Other Guns - talk about them here / Re: CZ75 vs R51
« on: July 26, 2017, 08:22:55 AM »

Actually, Dutch, my R51 will eat anything I put in it.   Even Winchester USA Forged steel cartridge.   I do not use the Russian stuff except in Russian guns.
Too dirty. I have large hands also, but I went down to Cavender's western Wear and bought a pair of riding gloves.  They work great. 
Blackie

The Wolf ammo hangs in the magazines, like it is just slightly too long.  I shortened the follower legs by 3/16", but that doesn't prevent the hangs against the front of the mag and the resultant FTF.  My Beretta 92FS, CZ75 and Sig P226 Blackwater all feed the Wolf ammo with no hangups whatsoever.

I think the R51 problem is mag related.  Even when manually stripping the cartridges (any cartridge, btw) out of the mags by hand, they feel like they're catching on something.  None of my other pistols, including the .380 CZ83 do that.  The cartridges all slide out easily and smoothly.  Not so the R51.

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Other Guns - talk about them here / CZ75 vs R51
« on: July 26, 2017, 01:17:35 AM »
I had both the CZ75 SP-01 Tactical and the Remington R51 to the range yesterday.  The CZ75 is a far superior weapon to shoot, both for comfort and accuracy.

That is obviously to be expected as the CZ75 has a longer barrel, heavier weight for better recoil and a larger grip for my big mitts.

The ONLY advantages to the R51 are that ii is easily concealable and has the CT laser for easier target acquisition.  It really hurts my hands to shoot, so for me it's a lousy range gun.  It is also much more picky when it comes to ammo.  It does NOT like the Russian Wolf brand, resulting in several FTF's.

I may just sell the R51 and use my CZ83 for CC.  Even though it's only a .380, with Buffalo Bore ammo it hits pretty hard.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Front Sight
« on: July 04, 2017, 09:25:26 AM »
When I got my R51 Crimson Trace, I sighted the red dot in at 10 yards using 115 grain FMJ ammo.  I then switched to 147 grain hollow points and the impact at the target dropped by 2"-3".

I found the same thing during my next range visit.  115 grain +P+ hollow points were dead on at 10 yards using the red dot, but 147 grain FMJ and hollow points were down by 2"-3".

Just an observation.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Got my new R51 - First impressions
« on: July 04, 2017, 05:27:13 AM »
Update:  Also noticed it doesn't like to have a full mag + one in the chamber. When I shoot it, it jams. I'm thinking it may need to be shot more as I have read that people think it's a mag spring issue. I assume it must be the mag because if I load 6 in the mag and one in the chamber, it doesn't do this. Time will tell. If anyone has more information  or tips concerning this, I would appreciate it.

I've noticed that, too.  I don't think it's the spring, but is a case of the follower being jammed against the bottom of the magazine when 7 are loaded. This results in the top round being jammed against the underside of the slide.  I think 1911SHOOTER's suggestion of  trimming the bottom of the follower will probably solve that issue.  See here:  http://r51pistol.com/r51-general-discussion/feeding-problems/msg1468/#msg1468  I haven't tried this yet, but plan to soon.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Feeding Problems
« on: June 30, 2017, 10:04:52 PM »
Dutch,
     You are right, I was going by memory, and that is a no-no to start with.  do like you said.   sorry 'bout that.
Blackie

Thanks.  I can identify with the going by memory deal.  CRS Disease is advancing in me faster than I would like.  Thanks again!

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Feeding Problems
« on: June 30, 2017, 10:58:35 AM »
Dutch,
     Remove the follower from the magazine.  You will see four "legs" on the bottom of the follower.   Shorten each one equally by 3/16 inch.
no more, no less. I used my Dremel cutting wheel for this.

I wonder if they have changed things in the mag.  My follower does not have four legs on the bottom.  It has two square U-shaped extensions on the bottom - one at the front and one at the rear.  I guess I should shorten each of these two extensions by 3/16".  Correct?

I can take a photo, if it will help my description.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: remington r51 grips
« on: June 30, 2017, 09:50:29 AM »
I just installed a set of hand checkered walnut grips from keefersgrips.  They are a significant improvement over the factory grips in that they are slightly thicker, which improves the grip for my large hands - although not as much as I would like.  I think the only thing that would make it better for my hands would be if the grip held a double stack magazine, which is not possible.

They also improve the overall looks of the pistol.  I'm very happy with my purchase and recommend them highly.

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General Discussion / Re: Holster...
« on: June 28, 2017, 06:03:52 AM »
I have a CrossBreed for my R51CT, and it fits perfectly.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Feeding Problems
« on: June 26, 2017, 09:44:41 PM »
@1911SHOOTER  Thanks for the detailed description.  Looks like the result is less spring pressure on the rounds. 

I only had one nosedive out of a hundred or so, and it was Wolf steel cased ammo - the top one in a 7 round load.  I did, however, notice that the top hollow point in a 7 round load acted like it partially hung on its way out of the mag.  Less spring pressure on the rounds would certainly ease those problems.  I'll give it a try.

Thanks again.

DUTCH

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