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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 wood panel's
« on: Today at 08:06:30 AM »
That is a great looking set of grips, but Remington is a little too proud of them according to the price.
Blackie

Yeah, and the $44 grips isn't aren't the ones pictured from the 2014 shot show.  They are the ones with the stamped "R".

And now that I look at the custom grips from 2014 I realized why I really like them so much.  If you squint just right, the smooth wood and checker pattern becomes a stylized "R", which to my imagination and taste was very innovative and cool looking on a pistol with bold styling.  I'm sure some Big Cheese said,"No, just stamp the Remington 'R' in there.  It'll be cheaper."

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R51 General Discussion / Re: New and Improved (?) mags
« on: Today at 07:56:14 AM »
Is there a visual difference in the "little bent portion" or can you feel a difference with your fingers?

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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 wood panel's
« on: Today at 12:34:29 AM »
I still like the wood grips Remington had on display at the 2014 shot show better...


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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 wood panel's
« on: Today at 12:30:56 AM »
I wonder how the Black & White G10 grips would look with the Smoke Silver* version.





* I went to the Remington website to look at the Silver Smoke model again and couldn't find it.  I did a site search, found the page, and it that model is shown to be unavailable.  That frame option must have been a limited edition run.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Purchase a Used R51?
« on: October 19, 2017, 03:03:45 AM »
Bond Arms

The Boberg XR9s is now the Bond Arms BullPup9.  Apparently they only make 150 a month.
https://bondarms.com/bond-arms-handguns/bond-arms-bullpup/

I'm not a fan of the looks of a pistol whose barrel ends at the front of the trigger guard, but I really like the lines of the rest of the gun, especially the wooden grip panels.  I don't know enough about firearms design to comment on whether the reverse feed mechanism should reduce or increase felt recoil.  Putting 9mm power in a package that small and light is bound to result in snappy recoil.

Boberg Arms

If your Boberg-built XR9 functions flawlessly, you are lucky.  Boberg seems to have run into similar problems as Remington did with the first production run of the R51.  There is little room for manufacturing error with innovative designs in small packages.  Couple that with being a small maker, he just didn't have the resources to provide proper customer support and he got torched for it on the internet.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Purchase a Used R51?
« on: October 18, 2017, 03:03:31 AM »
To my mind, I wouldn't buy a used R51 because the lifetime warranty doesn't transfer.  Even at a discount, the cost savings wouldn't be worth it.

It is possible that a gun shop has a used Gen 1 pistol that was stamped "Charlotte, NC", but I don't think it is likely.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but for the Gen 2 refurbishments, didn't Remington claim that there were no changes to the frame design and that the existing stock of Charlotte-stamped frames was rebuilt into Gen 2 pistols in the Huntsville plant?

I remember asking, but I don't think anyone has published a report on physical or performance differences between the Charlotte and Huntsville-stamped frames.

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Can you post the video here, or maybe post it to youtube and put a link here?

I think there is an option to post "private" to youtube so you can only view the video if you know the link - if that is your preference.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 Article by Wiley Clapp on American Rifleman
« on: September 28, 2017, 12:28:07 AM »
For what it may be worth, I talked with one of the Remington service people about two weeks ago. They told me the R51 magazines were not being shipped, due to the fact they are currently under evaluation. There were no other details related.

The plot thickens...

I suppose the bean counters and execs are busy counting up the number of pistols sold and multiplying by the cost of new magazines times 2 before they are willing to admit [again] that they didn't have all of the kinks worked out last September.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Trijicon night sights for R 51
« on: September 25, 2017, 03:48:58 AM »
The Trijicon website says their R51 sight set has a front blade height of 0.171 in and the rear sight is 0.232 in.

Does anyone have the height dimensions of the Remington stock sites?

(I don't remember if they were ever posted here.)



Also, I didn't see any Trijicon Tritium sights listed on the dawsonprecision.com website, nor did I see anything specific to the R51 - fiber optic or otherwise.  Am I looking in the wrong place?

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R51 General Discussion / R51 Article by Wiley Clapp on American Rifleman
« on: September 22, 2017, 05:36:15 AM »
This article is generally positive and goes into excruciating detail regarding the Pederson block.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2017/9/22/second-chance-remington-s-revised-r51-pistol/

Given how long we've been talking about magazine mods here, I thought this bit was interesting:

"...I was most interested in seeing how the new R51 shot... There were problems with the first two magazines. The pistol would not efficiently strip the top round out of the magazine and feed it into the chamber. After a fair amount of effort expended, including several trips to the range, I gave up and reported the problem to Remington.

In short order, I received new magazines. With a variety of ammunition, I headed back to the range and enjoyed a morning of completely trouble-free shooting. The gun functioned perfectly with the new magazines."

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R51 General Discussion / Re: disconnect pin
« on: September 22, 2017, 05:30:13 AM »
Yes, RyeOnHam was pretty much the first YouTube'r out there bashing the R51 after its reintroduction in 2016.

On one hand, the R51 probably deserved some of the bashing because of the magazine problems.

But RyeOnHam might have been piling on when he claimed the "half-sized, too-short" disconnector pin was a design flaw and posted a safety risk.

I also remember seeing another video that refuted RoH's statement and defended the design (it might have been from Remington or some blogger who was talking to a Remington rep, but I can't find now).  I think - if I recall - the video stated that it was not necessary for the pin to hold the ejector in place.

I don't know enough about handgun design to judge who was right or wrong, but let's just say that I ended up purchasing an R51 despite the protestations and vitriol from RoH.

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General Discussion / Re: Ladies Pistol Project II—Concealed Carry Pistols
« on: September 19, 2017, 11:18:29 PM »
Yes, I agree that the accompanying analysis was not very logical, but what do you expect ...

OK, I won't do that joke here.

I referenced the American Rifleman LPP II article because it included the R51 in a comparison study, and not too many folks are doing that right now.

However, before LPP II, there was the original Ladies Pistol Project.  This article was a bit more interesting because ladies compared large pistols with small, semi-autos with revolvers.  It dispelled some of the prejudices boyfriends and big box gun clerks have about recommending handguns to women.  The women had no problem operating semi-auto handguns and preferred them to wheel guns.  (4 revolvers were tested with 14 semi-autos and only 1 revolver was ranked in the top 9 overall.)

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2017/8/21/the-american-rifleman-ladies-pistol-project/


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General Discussion / Re: Firearm safety
« on: September 13, 2017, 03:04:22 AM »
The only thing I'll add is that the requirement to provide proof of safety training should apply to everyone every time they purchase a firearm.

I've seen as many old-timers 'bending' safe handling rules as I do young folks making stupid, rookie mistakes.

As an experienced adult hunter I've got a tendency to think I don't need any more training, but that is beside the point. 

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General Discussion / Ladies Pistol Project II—Concealed Carry Pistols
« on: September 13, 2017, 02:39:02 AM »
The American Rifleman conducted what they called the "Ladies Pistol Project II - Concealed Carry Pistols."  55 women tested 24 pistols and their subjective feedback was tallied and analyzed.  Since the R51 was included in the evaluation, I thought the results might be of interest to this audience.

The charts are a little hard to read, but the R51 scored 15th out of 24.  And this doesn’t surprise me for two reasons:

First, we all know the struggles with breaking in an R51.  For example, if participants weren’t explicitly instructed to use the slingshot method to load a full magazine, they might have deducted points for difficult slide manipulation.  Or if they didn’t know about the combat sight picture aiming, they might not have felt the pistol was accurate.

Second, the R51 is competing against a lot of high quality, nice shooting, conceal carry / compact / subcompact pistols.  And although American Rifleman tried to collect subjective data in an objective manner, I have to believe there were instances where the R51 suffered by comparison.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2017/9/8/results-american-rifleman-ladies-pistol-project-ii-concealed-carry-pistols/

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R51 General Discussion / Re: New smoke silver R51
« on: September 06, 2017, 02:35:26 AM »
The Huntsville stamp was bound to happen as soon as the original Gen 1 frames were used up, and certainly all of the smoke frames are new.  I'm too am wondering if there are any functional updates in the new frames.

Polymer pistol designs have zero aesthetic appeal to me.  Adding stainless slides or OD Green/Desert Tan plastic makes them even less attractive.

On the flip side, I was drawn to the R51 from the beginning.  It is solid (metal, except for that damn trigger) and has nice lines; even curves.

Whereas some of the candy-colored choices of the Taurus Spectrum were a little over the top, it certainly opened my eyes to the possibility that color could be added to a frame to enhance the appearance of a firearm.  I like what Rem did with the Smoke R51 (not that my opinion matters) and this seems to be evidence that they still investing in this platform.

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