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Could it be faulty pins?

Has anyone been able to measure and compare pins that are falling out with pins that stay in?

R51 General Discussion / Re: r51 grips
« on: January 12, 2018, 01:41:44 AM »
You have outdone yourself with those three sets.

R51 General Discussion / Re: Bet you can't guess...
« on: January 11, 2018, 01:04:02 AM »
Very cool.

R51 General Discussion / Re: New Trigger Finished, Range Ready
« on: January 05, 2018, 12:38:35 AM »
That is really nice.  I admire folks that can make their own metal parts.

Yep, the more data we see, the more obvious it becomes where the problem lies and that we're on the right track to a permanent fix.

I'm just scratching my head as to why Big Green didn't address the mag issues further before the re-release. I have no doubt they had the same issues that we're reading about on this forum. They said before the gen-2 release, during pre-production, that they fired 1.3 million rounds during testing. They also selected 10 guns per day during production and fired 500-1000 rounds through them.

Mike Keeney, the director of Remington's handgun division, told Guntalk's Tom Gresham that magazines are the toughest part of the design and they can make or break that design. So why didn't they practice what they preach? We'll probably never know.

I'm not necessarily accusing Remington of something sinister, but selecting 10 guns at random per day doesn't mean that they selected random magazines as well.  What if by intention or accident they did their testing with known good magazines?

Also, in terms of magazine design tweaking...  Yes, somewhere during the 1.3 million rounds of testing they probably identified a magazine problem.  And I'll be their engineers probably want to fix the problem.  But with all of Remington's financial  problems, and noting all of the other new products Remington has launched since the re-release of the R51, I can easily imagine that management directed engineering to work on tasks that had a bigger impact on the bottom line.

R51 General Discussion / Re: $100 rebate is back thru Jan 6
« on: January 02, 2018, 12:59:55 AM »
Another R51, or a 1903 Springfield project for $200?? Decisions decisions.

I think I'd opt for the Springfield.  1903 or 1903/A3?

Introductions section / Re: Another hello from Washington State
« on: January 02, 2018, 12:46:21 AM »
Welcome and good luck.  Let us know how it goes.

R51 General Discussion / Re: TRIGGER SHAPE (POLL)
« on: December 19, 2017, 05:10:20 AM »
If someone markets a popularly priced replacement trigger, they'd be in good shape! I think many owners would want one...

I'm asking, because I don't know, but I'm guessing there is some substantial liability to be concerned about in selling after market parts for handguns - especially safety-critical triggers.  Wouldn't this be the case?

R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 GRIPS
« on: December 18, 2017, 11:46:54 PM »
I know nobody cares what I think but...

I don't like the looks of the R51 as much with the Crimson Trace, but when you add those wood grips, it looks good on Blackie.

I think General Patton would have been proud to carry Smokie.

R51 General Discussion / Re: ig Green concerns
« on: December 18, 2017, 01:09:21 AM »
I want to believe they care, but do they care enough to drop the other things they are working on to solve the problem?

We know that Remington is sucking air right now with significant debt, weak market, slumping sales, and turnover in executive management.  I'll bet the decision makers are focused on saving the company, and their strategy is most likely based upon shoring up their bread and butter / flagship product lines.  They may very well care, but with limited engineering and quality personnel, it may be a question of economics where they dedicate their resources.  We don't have visibility into the totality of their problems.

I do hope they get their act together because I've enjoyed their products over the years: a collection of 3 eclectic rifles, two workhorse shotguns, and now the R51.

R51 General Discussion / Re: R 51 trigger
« on: December 13, 2017, 06:32:36 AM »
Does anyone who had an original Gen 1 R51 remember if the trigger was as wobbly as it is in the Gen 2?

R51 General Discussion / Re: shooting low
« on: December 12, 2017, 01:08:58 AM »
Thanks guys. I am confused though. Military hold? Put the muzzle over the target? What, HUH? I learned and teach 12:00 o'clock hold and 6:00 o'clock hold. I have never heard of a mlitary hold. What exactly is a military hold?

Seems to me it would be better just to change the sights. ???

Combat Center hold is to cover the center of the bull with the sight.   Hope the article helps.


I really like the Military/Combat Center hold at longer ranges.

I was shooting at an NRA Official Pistol Target, 21" x 24" with a 5.5" bulls-eye at 50 and 75 feet.  Just cover the bull with the front sight dot, confirm the sight picture with the rear sights, focus back on the front sight, and manipulate the trigger.

I shot my R51 almost as well as my full-sized Browning Hi-Power, which I normally use for target shooting.  My Browning has a much better trigger, but because of the Combat Center hold of the R51, I was focusing harder on my form than I was on the target and achieved good results.

My shots were hitting low when I first started shooting my R51.  But after Blackie explained this Combat Center thing, and I put some effort into it, I found the R51 is plenty accurate - especially for a compact pistol.  It is a shooter.

P.S.  At shorter ranges, when I'm trying center punch a 1.5" bulls-eye, I still prefer the standard target shooting sight picture, but I was able to get some good hits with the R51.

R51 General Discussion / Re: R 51 trigger
« on: December 08, 2017, 02:52:59 AM »
Material (plastic v. metal) and design (solid v. skeletonized) are aesthetic concerns mostly.

My two cents (which is worth about two cents) is that one of the reasons I bought my R51 is because it had a metal frame.  I'd prefer it also have a metal trigger.

But my biggest complaint with the trigger is that its wobbly.  I don't think it is the plastic flexing, but I could be wrong.

Has anyone been able to figure out the source of the wiggle?

Introductions section / Re: Christmas Greetings from Reno NV
« on: December 07, 2017, 12:45:28 AM »
Howdy, Rocky.  Has your wife shot it yet?  How does she like it?

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