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Messages - Pat Riot

#1
R51 General Discussion / Re: My new front sight
August 12, 2018, 10:22:06 AM
Nicely done!  :)
#2
I have decided that if Remington does not replace my pistol and sends my Charlotte gun back I will try a roll pin if the problem rears its ugly gear again.

I am going to call Remington in Monday and see if they have had a chance to look at my gun. They have had it for a week now.
#3
R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 Range Test Take-II
July 20, 2018, 06:41:01 PM
Thanks for the video HR. That issue you have with the cartridge up and out of the mag in a straight line is one I haven't seen. It almost seems that the mag lips have spread and allowed the cartridge to jump straight up. Odd.
#4
R51 General Discussion / Re: my R51, so far...
July 20, 2018, 06:32:20 PM
The trigger on my Charlotte gun is a very nice single action pull. Trouble is after shooting my RM380 and my Glock I have to consciously pay attention to the trigger on the R51 or I get a "Surprise".  :D

I haven't experienced any trigger flex issues or anything like that.
#5
Quote from: tdbru on July 17, 2018, 12:04:15 AM
so far my Huntsville hasn't had a wandering pin, but round count only >500.  as an aside, if i do have the issue, i'm tempted to put it back in with red loctite and see if that keeps it in place.  and if i never have the problem, so much the better.  until more R51s get over the 1000 rd. number this issue will be hard to judge as a design oversight or an anomaly.
good luck with the repair from Remington.
-tdbru

Red loctite will not help. There is a Loctite for cylindrical interfaces that may work but it takes 500 degrees to free the part once this stuff is cured.
#6
I shipped my gun back to Remington. The man I talked to could not apologize enough. He said they would look at why this is happening and said they'd fix it. After some back and forth about aluminum frames, steel pins and how long the frame would hold up under multiple pin replacements he said he would have the gun re-evaluated and their fix may be to replace the gun with a new Huntsville model.

We'll see.

Oh, and R51 Fan, Thank you gor your generous offer, but no thanks.  ;)

Is this problem also happening with Huntsville guns?
#7
Well, I got my R51 back from Remington a week and a half ago. It was nearly 7 weeks from the time I shipped it until I received it back.  :(

They said they replaced the pin and polished the bolt - I have no idea why and they didn't say. They apparently also replaced the mag release pin spring because it was a little harder to press the release from either side.

I had decided that once I got the gun back I was going to sell it and buy a Glock. I went to 2 different gun dealers and to the Cabela's Gun Library. None would buy it, not even the dealer that sold it to me and he was the guy that I was buying the Glock 19X from.

So, I decided, what the heck. I'll keep it and enjoy it. Remington "fixed it", right?

Last weekend when I bought my Glock I also had the R51 with me and shot it at the range at my favorite gun shop. The focus of my time at the range was shooting my new Glock but I went ahead and put 28 rounds (4 magazines) through my R51. There must have still been some grit in the bolt from the polishing and I had a couple failures to fire - even though I thought I had cleaned the gun up pretty good once I received it back. I think there was some grit binding the firing pin, but I am suspicious o that.

Anyway, I shot 28 rounds and put the gun away. I took it to the range yesterday with my grandson. To save a little room in my gun bag I had inserted an empty mag into the gun and took the other 3 mags. At the range I was showing the pistol, to my grandson and explaining how it worked. I removed and inserted the empty magazine after showing him it was unloaded and was showing him how the magazine could be released from either side when the pin just popped out about 1/8" again on the right side. Rather than get angry and let it ruin my range time with my grandson I put the gun away.

It is obvious to me that Remington did replace the pin as the current pin has more longitudinal serrations. I tried to push the pin back with my fingers but couldn't get it to go in. I have decided to leave it as is and contact Remington, yet again, tomorrow.

I am not a happy camper.  >:(
I have an unreliable firearm that I cannot trust and I cannot sell locally and would never pawn off on someone else knowing what I know about it.

When I was trying to sell this gun at Cabela's the manager stated that he would not buy any Charlotte R51, regardless of what "generation" it was. I figured he was just making excuses for not wanting to buy it...perhaps he was right...

I do know that I am not going to be a nice guy when I call Remington tomorrow. I have been nice and I have been patient. I am going to tell them I want the gun replaced.
#8
Quote from: shinerjohn on June 07, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
On my last 2 range visits (including today), my mag release pin exits out the right side.  I've been using a brass hammer and punch to return it to its proper place.  I'm wondering if peening the left end of the pin will cause it to hold better....

When mine came loose the pin would reinstall easily while inserting a mag. Try that next time. You may be stressing the aluminum around the pin hole of the frame by tapping it in.



I got a call from Remington last Friday and they are sending my gun back. They said the pin was fixed but wouldn't tell me what they did. I asked if they put a heavier spring in to help secure the pin and the man skirted the issue. I guess I will see when the gun gets back to me.
#9
It sounds to me like Remington's fix is s stiffer spring for pin retention. If that is the case they have just altered one of the things I liked about my R51 and that was ease of dropping a mag using my trigger finger.

My R51 is still back at Remington now for mag pin repair.
I called last week and was promised a call back but the call never came. I plan to call today.

PR
#10
Quote from: Engineerpower on May 20, 2018, 08:27:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Riot on May 18, 2018, 11:00:45 AM
I thought I responded to this yesterday but...

Anyway, if they are the sights that Remington sells on their sight it may be that the point of aim will be the same as factory.
I bought the Remington fiber optic sights and the point of aim is still 4" low at 7 yards, which is what I saw with stock sights.
The good news is I was able to tighten my groups with the new sights.

Hrm, that's not good. Much easier to lower POI than to raise it. If you don't mind losing the R51 aesthetics on the rear sight, you could install a higher rear sight from another pistol (maybe a CZ) or find a really low front sight (big dot maybe, or again a CZ).

Is low POI a common issue? Higher rear sight could be another good aftermarket product.

Well, it seems to be this way with a couple of other folks I know that have R51's. They hit low. I kind of thought new sights would fix this but it did not. The gun groups great so the elevation issues don't really bother me. I will not be using it in competitions.
#11
Quote from: Engineerpower on May 20, 2018, 08:37:23 AM
Y'all are forgetting the Century drunken monkey crew...  ;D



Hilarious.  ;D
#12
R51 General Discussion / Re: my R51, so far...
May 18, 2018, 01:02:17 PM
Thanks for the write up tdbru.

I have found that, for defense loads, Hornady American Gunner and the Remington Ultimate Defense feed rather well. The Hornady Critical Defense has given me a couple of hang ups where the bullet lip catches the mag lip in the front. Federal Hydro Shoks, Nosler Defense and there was oneother I can't remember but have in my notes truly sucked for reliablity but to be fair this was before I had 4 magazines that I truly trust now. Perhaps a retest is in order?
#13
I thought I responded to this yesterday but...

Anyway, if they are the sights that Remington sells on their sight it may be that the point of aim will be the same as factory.
I bought the Remington fiber optic sights and the point of aim is still 4" low at 7 yards, which is what I saw with stock sights.
The good news is I was able to tighten my groups with the new sights.
#14
Quote from: Rocky150 on May 17, 2018, 10:44:25 PM
Rec'd my Charlotte back today.   The service people and the turn around were very good.   I had included in the shipment my single "very bad" mag  (one of 6) and they replaced it with a new one. The new mag cycled the first round perfectly.  The mag release pin stayed put.  So far so good.  To the range tomorrow.  Fingers crossed.   :)

That is good news. Let us know how it goes. :D
#15
Well, no word yet from Remington about my pistol.
I think I will call them tomorrow. In the note I wrote I asked them to call me. They have had the gun since last Weds. but no call.

Alas, it appears Remington needs a lesson in responsiveness.