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Thanks Blackie, but it seems to be for a bare pistol, not one with a CT laserguard.

Plus, I have a couple of those two clip models, and while they are comfortable, they are a PIA to get and keep adjusted.  From here on, its single, centered clips for me.

Now, one pure kydex holster that I recently acquired worked well, but was UNcomfortable!  So I added a leather backing.  Great! Super!

Found out how IWB holsters should be built!
Way better than leather only, kydex only or the so called hybrids as they are made today.
If I was younger, it would be a good business.

R51 General Discussion / Re: No folks, I lieth not
« on: Today at 08:35:34 AM »
You apparently dont believe that the .40 is dead?

That new tech, namely bullets has completly out ran it, making it totally useless?

But then, the new bullets help the .40 as well, but possibky "over-kill" for SD.

Then call it a big game load.

(Legal here, .40 and up, during pistol season.)

R51 General Discussion / Re: The skinny on gun springs.
« on: Today at 03:20:38 AM »
Good find Blackie!

Most of it does ring true, (other than his proof reader missed a spot or two).  Double negative, contractions, etc.  Easy enough to figure out just which he was trying to say.

Funny that he should mention Ithaca though.

I have my dad's old Ithaca Side by Side, twist steel 12 gage shotgun.  Made just about the time he was born, 1901.  Early in it's life, it went to Africa with a missionary, and which, some time after, dad acquired it from an older cousin.

I inherited it from dad back in 1966 in good working order.  I used it a bit, maybe up to ten or twelve years.
Then after at least a few months, or maybe even a couple of years, I attempted to use it again.

Nope, one mainspring was broken.  Apparently not during use, but during just storage.  Something this spring guy said he had never seen in 30 years of working on guns.  Claimed that such could never happen!
Never say never!

Granted, it was older than likely 99 percent of the guns he usually works on.  The main springs in this piece are leaf springs, and virtually unavailable.
So, I ordered about the right width and thickness spring steel strip, (wanted to keep the necessary forging to a minimum, for lack of equipment).

Had to cut, taper and thin in a straight piece, and then, heat & bend just under180 degrees, quench and temper.  Flat V spring.

Polish, (no nicks, gouges, etc allowed), and install.
The first one broke immediately, too brittle, not tempered well.

The next one is still in the plus 100 year old gun, as is the matching, (mirror image), original one powering the other barrel.

Would I do it again?
Only if I had to do so, of course.

This gun, along with my great grand father's J Manton and son's, also 12 guage SXS, will be passed down to my own great grandson, the 14th generation of my family on this side of the Atlantic.

R51 General Discussion / Re: Magazine spring and follower
« on: January 22, 2018, 05:41:51 AM »
There it is!
The "haste makes waste" mentality.

Who ever said to "bevel" the follower legs?

And "snipping" spring loops when the problem is more likely the recess in the follower not letting the compressing spring to enter smoothly?

I am a firm believer in doing nothing, until a particular magazine fails to perfom well.

And then, and only then, very carefully try to figure out just what might be causing that particular problem.

Modifying just on account someone else had a problem with theirs is asking for worse problems.

It appears that there is any given number of DIFFERENT problems and just modifying helter skelter may do more damage than good.

I surely hope you had particular reasons to make the said alterations.
And good luck, whatever.

R51 General Discussion / Re: Magazine spring and follower
« on: January 20, 2018, 11:32:58 AM »
I may go down to The range in Killeen that is inside and see how these mods to the
mags #6 & 7 work.
Getting tired of this arctic whatever the Media calls it this week.

Blackie, its global warming. It isn't cold it's the product of the earth heating up!  ;D
Yeah, warm snow in all 50 states!

No, I guess they think we are the idiots!

GrandpaX12, there are a few pics around, but most of it is pretty well described.

You have me beat, I am grandpa and even great grandpa, but it barely surpasses 12 when I add up both of them!

R51 General Discussion / Re: Fully dedicated holsters; waiting for one!
« on: January 20, 2018, 09:21:45 AM »
The reason for dedicated holsters and operator screw up.

Yesterday, while helping my wife with the recent hip replacement, out of the truck, and my hands overfilled as well, i had a dumb accident.

No excuse, and plenty of luck, the second R51 in a non-dedicated holster, (pocket type), slipped out of said holster, landing on the concrete xriveway.

Good thing is that it passed the drop test!
But not so good for the finish!

I still had a good hold of the holster, but didnt block tbe gun from seperating from it.

I had removed it from the pocket hours earlier and had it in the console.  Just thought I would carry it into the house.  Wasnt careful enough.

R51 General Discussion / Re: No folks, I lieth not
« on: January 20, 2018, 09:05:03 AM »
Anyone else getting the idea that this mag design was not for this gun when it started?

I think they started with some existing mag and just modified until "it sort of worked"!

Anyone have the Rem 380, the high $ company that tey just bought ought Rorhbaugh or something like that?

Well, Rems new version of that gun uses a mag with a full length spacer welded into the back of it.
I am sure it was Rorhbor's 9mm mags just reworked.

Maybe the original company did both that way, as I believe they made it in both 9mm and 380.

R51 General Discussion / Re: Slide lock and all thumbs, is it just me?
« on: January 19, 2018, 12:20:06 PM »
Nope, no problems here.

But I believe we did have another guy on here that did.
He first thought it was a gun malfunction, until he figured out that was himself causing it.
Only a few weeks ago, shouldn't be hard to look up the posts.

Introductions section / Re: Engineerpower!
« on: January 19, 2018, 12:10:34 PM »
Cameron, any ball park guess as to how much higher in cost it would be to make a TI trigger, in place of Al?

Twice, 3 times?  Etc.

And not even asking for any guess here, but just day dreaming.
If I could afford it, I would have a complete R51 frame made up for one or both of my R51s!

Wow, with some Oxy coloration, just think how that would look next to a black or smoke one!

R51 General Discussion / Re: Bet you can't guess...
« on: January 17, 2018, 02:33:45 PM »
Cameron knows where of he speaks!

I think we are lucky to have him here.

I'd bet he has degrees coming out his, mmm, hat?

Funny, I spent my working years in metals technology, mostly different types of welding.

Started out under the hood, and ended up a senior welding engineer.  That is with no formal schooling beyond high school.

My relationships with PHDs was a bit harried.
30 or 40 percent, maybe, loved me.  When they had something they wanted done, I got the call.

The other 60 or 70 percent were pretty stand offish!
This was in weapons research and production.
Nuclear weapons, that is.

Other Guns - talk about them here / Re: Ruger SR-9E
« on: January 16, 2018, 05:18:44 PM »

Was that a 6 O'clock hold?

OMG, put it between a pair of eyes at 20 yards, clean miss, way over his head!

Just funnin' you a little bit, but not my idea of a SD set up.

BTW, I like my Ruger SR9C as well.

R51 General Discussion / Re: New R51 range report
« on: January 16, 2018, 05:05:10 PM »
I "might" put light pipes on the front of my two.
Since they both now wear lasers, no need for "nite sites"!

As to shooting low, I find that if one uses the police/military hold, (not 6 O'clock), the bullets go right to whatever I have covered with the tip of the front sight.

Personally, I dont want a bullseye shooter for instinctive self defence.

Introductions section / Re: Engineerpower!
« on: January 16, 2018, 04:54:38 PM »
Cameron, you asked me why I prefered TI over AL.
Well, it's harder, never mind the lighter weight.

And it's, Oh so Pretty, with just a touch of surface oxidation!

Now, the first thing I thought about was replacing that AL bbl bushing with a TI one.  Might aleaviate some of the scratches!

Now, as to trigger shape/design, just tighten up the wobble.  No holes needed, especially with TI and a bit of oxy color!

The TI replacement trigger for my Sig P938 was just about the only thing I liked about the gun.

R51 General Discussion / Re: Bet you can't guess...
« on: January 15, 2018, 02:39:22 PM »
FF, check the lips and the bend that stops the follower from rising too far or too little, on that problem mag.

Compare with the ones that work well.

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