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R51 General Discussion / Re: Remington name changed to Para?
« on: January 12, 2018, 03:50:01 AM »
Para is one of the brands owned by the Remington Outdoor Company.  Para Ordnance was a maker of 1911s that was bought by the Freedom Group (now known as  Remington Outdoor Company) a few years back.  So I don't see any issues here.  It is simply being shipped by a division of Remington.

except that division is using letterhead from a company their parent company bought and shuttered years ago. Kinda terrible CS if you can't even get the right sig line on your emails.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Extended Mags
« on: December 24, 2017, 07:17:48 AM »
Do you know any good brazers or welders?   If somebody wanted
to sacrifice a couple of mags to the cause,  I bet you could make an extended mag.
Only problems I see are  the spring and polishing the weld inside inside the mag.  Might get a 14 shooter out of it.  Any of us that is a machinist or a welder?
Blackie


Blackie, Although I'd like to see someone successfully accomplish making an extended mag from two original ones, it could become a lesson in frustration >:(.

But, as an amateur machinist, I might try making an extended base plate from a chunk of ABS. Probably only hold an extra two or three rounds to make it easier to find springs. Or maybe someone who has a 3D printer could mass produce them to make some extra cash.

I've printed some extended baseplates for my other guns, the problem with the R51 is the mag walls turn in to grab the baseplate from the outside rather than turning outward and the baseplate covers the outside of the mag. this would leave very little material holding the base to the mag body and may be impossible to do with enough space for the spring to pass and leave enough meat on the baseplate to live long. Will do some closer looking when i get back from visiting family for xmas.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Slide Impossible to Rack With Full Mag
« on: December 01, 2017, 03:53:01 AM »

R51Fan,
     Lock the slide back and insert the mag.   Pull the slide back and let it "slingshot" closed.    This is what Remington says to do in the manual
for the gun.   

This is another oddity of the R51 and is something you absolutely do not want in a defense pistol. What are you supposed to do if clearing a jam during a firefight? You drop the mag, rack the slide to clear the round, now your slide is forward when you insert your new mag. Only way to make this work is to keep your backup mag loaded with only 6 rounds which would be, well, another oddity of the R51. Don't get me wrong, I really like my R51, I just need it to work properly if it's ever going to be my defense carry piece.


Funflyer,
     WHen you drop the empty mag, the slide is locked back.  Insert the new mag, pull back the slide and sling shot it.
No muss no fuss.
Blackie
clearing a malfunction involves racking the slide with no mag thus not locked back automatically for the following mag.

I can rack mine on a full mag with the originals and 4 extras i got. I think there may be more to the problem as there shouldn't be enough friction between the brass case and smooth stainless block to lock it up.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: New R51 range report, not so good
« on: December 01, 2017, 03:40:01 AM »
odd, I can't see your pics. not even placeholders.

lot more than 2 ppl have had the no-reset bug. my fix was to add a little lube down there under the hammer. wasn't even dirty just dry and the trigger bar wasn't dropping back in place.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Purchase a Used R51?
« on: October 24, 2017, 04:09:27 AM »
+1 the only used R51s I've seen were asking more than I paid retail. Granted I got mine from Rural King on sale during the re-release so it was pretty cheap but I kind of use that as the bar for used: lowest retail price minus 10-20% for being used and down for condition/accessories. Seems like a lot of people/places price them as MSRP-10%.

I have one of the new Bond versions of the Boberg. They started shipping early summer '17. Very small package but very manageable. It's somewhat wide (for a single-stack) due to the wraparound wood grips but otherwise not much larger than a TCP. It's a little heavy for the size due to alloy frame and stainless slide. The design does mitigate perceived recoil a LOT. Like the R51, it doesn't make the recoil go away, it just makes it equivalent to a much larger browning tilt-barrel pistol. It's a pocket pistol with perceived-recoil like a full-size. I haven't shoot them side by side but from shooting them weeks apart, I'd say the perceived recoil's a milder than my TCP (wider grip, longer slide travel, mechanism). It's still 9mm actual recoil which will rattle arthritic joints.

The only problem mine's had is a failure for me to fully seat a mag. there is a list of approved ammo and I've been exploring a few others not on the "don't use" list but I haven't had a dreaded pull-ammo-apart failure yet. I even shot a steel match with it and managed to mostly not embarrass myself (darn double-action trigger travel takes a while to get used to. smooth as a mirror but long travel)

I will admit it's not very friendly to reloading since
1. The warranty says "no reload or reman ammo"
2. Has a very tight chamber (at the min spec, haven't had issues with factory but more than a few of my resized cases needed persuasion in and out of the chamber.)
3. chews up the brass. whenever I shoot it, it's full of yellow brass powder. the few cases I've recovered have several dings and gouges.
4. It's hard to recover the brass if it's in the next county. Indoors I can get most of it but when I took it to the steel match, everyone ran for cover as it chucked the brass OVER the roof over the rifle benches, landing further behind me than I was shooting in front.

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Russc2542, said,
"That's why it's important to talk to the manufacturer when you have problems rather than just b**** about it online or to friends".. ==============


If we hadn't talked about it on line and to our friends on this blog,  we would not have the
fixes we got!   We now have functioning R51s.  Remington has not been forthcoming at all with us. 
Blackie   

ha, I said not JUST talk about it online. I never said don't talk about it online. If anyone tries to tell me I can't open the hood, take it apart, or find ways to improve I say "Challenge accepted!". "No user serviceable parts" only pertains to the warranty period.

BUT I also know from common sense and experience building a workorder system from scratch at work and being the complaints funnel, I've lost track of the number of times I'm trying to find out why something is wrong, go and ask users and hear "oh that's never worked. It didn't work when they gave it to us so I never used it". Meanwhile, when I DO get feedback on the system I help support, the vendor we work with usually has stuff fixed in a few days.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 back from Heinrich's - no joy
« on: October 13, 2017, 04:02:28 AM »
Agreed, while not confidence inspiring neither is it surprising. Marketing and customer service rarely venture to the bowels of a facility where those strange creatures known as engineers work.

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Old shooter, rookie at this forum. Glad y'all are here, because I've got the exact same problems.

Finding posts on this forum indicating the new mags have a DIFFERENT PART NUMBER is a huge red flag that Remington goofed, figured it out and fixed it, but stealthily took a "buyer beware" approach to buyers who took them at their word that the Gen 1 problems were fixed.

Why not send out replacement mags to owners and handle this the right way? Embarrassing, surely, but better to admit it openly and fix it gracefully.

I wrote Rem CS asking for 3 replacement mags (I'd bought a third one), and hope to get the "good stuff" this time.

In the meantime, I should remove about 3/16" from the bottoms of my mag followers to get proper use out of them?

Because there's no master list of who has or doesn't have a R51. Frankly failure to feed isn't a safety concern in the eyes of the establishment the same way firing when undesired to do so so there's no recall. Further, as evidenced by this forum, many users have already modified the original mags to function satisfactorily. In your later message you state that they were agreeable to sending replacements which I think is satisfactory, especially if they aren't demanding return of the old ones.

That being said, I better go take a look at mine since I bought 4 more from midway a few weeks ago.


Russc,
     I checked the part numbers on the Mags that came with my R51 and it is #17696.   The part number on the two mags that Rem is shipping (?)
to me is #F304502.   Could be thay upgraded and aren't publicizing it?
Blackie

Absolutely, companies in all fields supersede part numbers all the time without publishing it. If you complain they can look it up and if it's in for other work they can swap them out without having to push it out in a recall. When I worked in shops and dealerships still, it wasn't uncommon to have a part superseded a few times. Then there's the computer modules... seems there's a revised software flash available about every other week. Not necessarily a problem, just someone complained once and they fixed it and they push the fix out to others as they bring it up. That's why it's important to talk to the manufacturer when you have problems rather than just b**** about it online or to friends.

Cars are also different where they can look up owners from registrations. Firearms recalls are harder because they aren't registered (thank god) so it has to be done loudly so everyone can hear and everyone does hear...and remember. Auto recalls you hear about 1 in the news every few years but there are actually hundreds every year across the various mfrs and thousands of non-recall campaigns and TSBs that range from "if you see the old part number, replace it" to "if the customer complains, replace it" to revisions of the service information.

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Old shooter, rookie at this forum. Glad y'all are here, because I've got the exact same problems.

Finding posts on this forum indicating the new mags have a DIFFERENT PART NUMBER is a huge red flag that Remington goofed, figured it out and fixed it, but stealthily took a "buyer beware" approach to buyers who took them at their word that the Gen 1 problems were fixed.

Why not send out replacement mags to owners and handle this the right way? Embarrassing, surely, but better to admit it openly and fix it gracefully.

I wrote Rem CS asking for 3 replacement mags (I'd bought a third one), and hope to get the "good stuff" this time.

In the meantime, I should remove about 3/16" from the bottoms of my mag followers to get proper use out of them?

Because there's no master list of who has or doesn't have a R51. Frankly failure to feed isn't a safety concern in the eyes of the establishment the same way firing when undesired to do so so there's no recall. Further, as evidenced by this forum, many users have already modified the original mags to function satisfactorily. In your later message you state that they were agreeable to sending replacements which I think is satisfactory, especially if they aren't demanding return of the old ones.

That being said, I better go take a look at mine since I bought 4 more from midway a few weeks ago.

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General Discussion / Re: Ladies Pistol Project II—Concealed Carry Pistols
« on: September 15, 2017, 02:57:08 AM »
An interesting article but really falls apart if you read it: I don't think they had anyone familiar with data gathering, analysis, or presentation involved nor an editor to make sure they didn't make dumb statements and ill-placed typos.

Half of their statements make as much sense as saying people prefer the color orange because on a survey about fruit they said tangerines taste better than apples.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Initial R51 Experiences
« on: September 05, 2017, 04:52:23 AM »

Louisiana Man,
     How do you plan to  upgrade the caliber?  Just curious, as you have a 9MM +P weapon as is.
As to the mags, many of us have  removed the mag sollower and taken  1 to 3 16ths off each leg.  It makes a world of difference,  If you decide to try it, just start with one mag.
My mags all show the next round sliding forward when I remove the mag.  So far it has not caused any problems for me.
As to para c.,  if the problem persists,  It might be time to go to Remington. 
Where was your pistol manufactured?  Could you positively have a Gen I?
The slides on the Gen II have a thicker base plate.
This review may be of assistance to you.
Good luck, Blackie

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/09/20/review-remington-r-51-gen-2-1000-round-test/

I do believe he means that the 9mm firearm he now has is an upgrade to the .380 R51 previously used.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Comfortable shooting
« on: August 17, 2017, 05:50:56 AM »
I put a bit of thick grip-tape under the beavertail. amazing how much of a difference <1/10" makes.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 initial experience
« on: August 17, 2017, 05:44:28 AM »
Midway has gen2 mags for a not-outrageous price. Got a handfull earlier this week.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Suppressors
« on: August 17, 2017, 05:41:49 AM »
I'm sure it has nothing to do with it being a pariah and sales of an extended suppressor barrel aren't forecast to justify the cost.

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Front Sight
« on: August 17, 2017, 05:38:37 AM »
When I got my R51 Crimson Trace, I sighted the red dot in at 10 yards using 115 grain FMJ ammo.  I then switched to 147 grain hollow points and the impact at the target dropped by 2"-3".

I found the same thing during my next range visit.  115 grain +P+ hollow points were dead on at 10 yards using the red dot, but 147 grain FMJ and hollow points were down by 2"-3".

Just an observation.

Quite normal for different rounds to have different POI, especially light +P+ vs heavy std pressure. That's why you sight in and practice with your carry around or something with similar ballistics.

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