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General Discussion / Firearm safety
« on: Today at 05:07:07 AM »
     I know I am going to get tons of flack over this, but it is what I believe, and I am entitled to
my opinion.   The proof of this lies right next door to the 2ND Amendment, which I
adhere to and believe in.

     People are dying because they do not understand firearms and what they can do
if you do not respect them.  They do not understand the difference between a real
gun and a toy gun. 

     I firmly believe that any person who is purchasing a firearm for the first time should
be trained in firearm safety.   And required to furnish proof of that upon purchase.
Blackie

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/28/charges-filed-after-youtube-gun-stunt-gone-wrong-leaves-boyfriend-dead.html



 
 

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Feeding Problems
« on: June 26, 2017, 01:44:30 PM »
It has been quiet about feeding problems, rounds nosediving in magazine, etc. Does this mean that nobody is seeing problems currently?

Paul,
I think most of the guys who have had their R51s for a while have ironed out the problems.  If you have a problem,
start a new string, and tell us what the problem is.
Blackie

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Feeding Problems
« on: June 26, 2017, 01:42:19 PM »
This was before shortening the followers on 2 mags, have one that is still stock.
Will find out Tuesday at range if follower shortening and rounding off, shortening follower stopis issue.

Could you provide specifics or a link on how to do this?  TIA

Dutch,
     Remove the follower from the magazine.  You will see four "legs" on the bottom of the follower.   Shorten each one equally by 3/16 inch.
no more, no less. I used my Dremel cutting wheel for this. 
When you remove the spring from the mag, be sure it goes back in the same way. 

If you need help holding the barrel to field strip the R51, here is what I use to hold the barrel, with "U-Tube"  instructions.  Hope it helps.
Blackie

     https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OXOA0EA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5bycStOxFo

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R51 General Discussion / Re: First 300 Shots
« on: June 26, 2017, 08:27:11 AM »
SCurmudgeon,
     When you "slingshot" the slide, do you pull back and release it, or by the slide lock?
My slide can now be racked with a full mag, but like you say, it is difficult.
The R51 sights are set up to cover the target bull, not under it.  Don't ask me why, it is a
military thing.  Kirk can explain it to you.  Instead of holding the sight at the base of the
bull, cover the bull.   I do not know why Remington did this.
I also have problems with that dang bushing.
Blackie

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Replacement barrel
« on: June 21, 2017, 08:26:52 AM »
Kirk,
     Glad it seems to be working.  Is it possible that the barrels are not quite quality as controlled as Remington thinks they are?   My neighbor ordered one, and it
plunked great, but would not drop into the slide.  Breech was a hair too wide.
We don't really know where these flea-bay barrels come from.  They may be factory seconds, test runs, or liquidated stock from the Gen 1.  They don't come directly from Remington or have a Remington warranty so it's a gamble.  That is part of the reason why I waited so long to buy one.

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What is "Dead Trigger"?
Blackie
Maybe sometimes called a "slack trigger."  Round is chambered but the trigger does "catch" and won't release the sear.  I'm currently conjecturing that some slight variance in the rebuilt round is tweaking the Out Of Battery Disconnect.  This is very frustrating to me because I know the rounds are safe and I measure and verify them constantly.  They always measure to within SAAMI tolerances, I follow the printed procedures and Best Practices to the letter, and they function fine in all other firearms I've tried them in.  The R51 is just more finicky about ammo.  <sigh>

Still, using the new barrel, I did not have any feed related issues, but more testing is required.  I will build another box of ammo (hopefully this week) to further test my reloads against this new barrel.

To clarify my process for 9mm reloads:
I use a Lee single stage press.  I wash the brass, then tumble in walnut media.  I use a Lee 9mm Carbide die set, setup and adjusted in accordance with the pamphlet supplied with the set.  I use the resizing and depriming die.  Then I use the Belling die, also setup and adjusted to the Lee pamphlet spec, and the Lee Safety Prime on-press priming system.  The brass comes out clean, belled, and primed.  Each piece of brass gets individually inspected before it goes into the die and after it comes out.  So, by this point, each piece has been visually inspected 4 times (two dies, in and out).  Then I powder and seat the bullet.  To do this, I verify the powder drop weight on my scale (I always choose a load which is under maximum charge weight).  Then I drop the powder directly into the brass and visually inspect the charge to see if it "looks" right.  Then, immediately, the single piece of brass (primed, belled, and now charged) goes into the press with the Seating Die (again, adjusted to the Lee pamphlet specs), receives a bullet, and is seated.  It comes out and visually inspected.  I will spot-check OAL (Over All Length, aka COAL - Cartridge Over All Length) to ensure that the bullet is seated to proper depth with a caliper.  About every 15-25 rounds or so, I spot-check again.  Most people who reload will use the Seating Die to apply a crimp.  I used to do this until my R51 proved finicky about the crimp diameter.  I can only crimp it down so hard using the Seating Die before the crimp is too much tucked in and the case mouth starts slipping past the Shoulder when inserted into the Chamber.  Bad Juju.  So I stopped using the Seating Die to crimp and bought a Lee Factory Crimp Die.  This cranks the crimp down to perfect SAAMI spec, won't "over-crimp" or curl the crimp in an allow the cartridge to funnel itself past the Shoulder.  I also spot-check the crimp using calipers.

I've used 3 different bullet shapes from 3 different manufacturers; all in 115 gr. hard cast Lead Round Nose (Black Bullets, SNS Casting, and Missouri Bullet Company), "coated" bullets.  This R51, with the original barrel, pretty much hates all of them but likes factory new 115gr. copper FMJ.  I have ordered 125gr. Lead Cone Nose bullets from Missouri Bullet Company to see if my R51 will like that bullet shape better.

I'm not used to guns being this picky.  My first Gen 2 R51 wasn't.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk


Kirk,
     I forgot to ask,  Is the new barrel from Flea bay this picky?
Blackie

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Replacement barrel
« on: June 21, 2017, 08:24:59 AM »
Kirk,
     I am not sure what the law is on mailing ammo from one person to another,  But if there is any way,  I would like to take 7 rounds of the
reloads that are giving you fits, and try it in my R51.   As I said recently, there is not a brand of ammo that I have tried that does not function
perfectly in my Gen II.
Two different things going on.
Shipping ammo, either factory new or reloads: Perfectly legal but must be shipped through a Private Carrier (such as UPS) and use the ORM-D subset of HazMat code.  This usually means "expensive."
Second is that reloaders cannot sell new manufactured or remanufacture ammunition unless they have a federal license.

So I could donate the rounds to you, legally.  We could probably trade for stuff, or even "reimburse" for materials cost, but not my time but that becomes sketchy area.

In short, I could send the ammo to you by Private Carrier, but their shipping costs are usually more than I'd like and they usually force me to jump through hoops like only accepting shipment at their central shipping facility.  The "UPS Store" isn't allowed to take ORM-D, HazMat, or even guns for shipping.

FWIW, these rounds run fine in my other 9mm guns.  I've given 25 rounds to a friend who will shoot them through his Glock.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk




    Kirk,
,That being said,  I guess It would be illegal for me to "Compensate" you for shipping costs.   Any way,  it was just a thought.
Blackie
 

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Fire Sale + Rebate
« on: June 20, 2017, 08:20:52 AM »
Yes, you can argue all day that given today's modern manufacturing capabilities, handguns shouldn't need a break in period, and you'd have a good point.
Surprisingly to many, Kimber, known for their high quality (and corresponding price-point) recommends a break-in round-count of 400-500 rounds:

http://www.kimberamerica.com/media/wysiwyg/manual-download/1911-Full-Size-Manual_11-2015.pdf

Most "experts" will recommend a minimum of 200 rounds.  <shrug>

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk


I have several 1911s,  15 actually of different flavor, and most seem to require no "break in" .   One of which was the Rem R1 1911.
Plus many other pistols that did not require a break in.  Including my R51.  (aside from the mag problems)  Maybe just luck of the draw. 
Blackie     

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Replacement barrel
« on: June 20, 2017, 06:57:17 AM »
Did the new barrel change your point of aim?
Not significantly, no.

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Or would you not expect this to happen just because you changed your barrel out?
There's a chance, yes.  But with this design, at pistol ranges, I wouldn't expect a whole lot of change.  It could happen though. 

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Kirk,
     I am not sure what the law is on mailing ammo from one person to another,  But if there is any way,  I would like to take 7 rounds of the
reloads that are giving you fits, and try it in my R51.   As I said recently, there is not a brand of ammo that I have tried that does not function
perfectly in my Gen II.  Even the short  100GR Pow'rBall +P ammo Which is COAL  2.7 MM.
(Eyeball & MM ruler)
Blackie

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Fire Sale + Rebate
« on: June 20, 2017, 06:39:01 AM »
I'm just a "shill."

Kirk, if it wasn't for you and Blackie, I wouldn't have purchased an R51.

There is probably a silent majority of R51 users who likely don't have problems and who don't go on the youtube to share their positive experience.  Heaven forbid anyone should be caught "shilling" for Remington these days.   ;) 

And for the problems that do exist, this website has been an invaluable resource for dealing with them.

Yes, you can argue all day that given today's modern manufacturing capabilities, handguns shouldn't need a break in period, and you'd have a good point.

But I wanted the R51 because it is unique, distinctive and innovative.  I'm looking forward to having a lot of fun with this on the range.


SCurmudgeon,
     Thanks for the back pat,  Glad you finally took the plunge.  Any questions, Either Kirk or I can probably help.   Kirk is the reload go to guy,  me mostly mechanical.
Blackie     :)

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Replacement barrel
« on: June 19, 2017, 10:28:00 AM »
So my flea-bay barrel came (Tuesday, IMS).  It plunks a little be looser than the original but still a tad tighter than the other barrels I used for comparison.  I took it to the range on Friday.

It runs Factory New FMJ just fine.  I didn't have time to extensively test with my reloads but it seemed to feed them without any issue.  Did "dead trigger" twice on my with my reloads.  These reloads were using the SNS Casting 115 gr. LRN (coated HC) instead of the Missouri Bullet Company 115 gr. LRN (coated HC) that I had been using (I didn't have any loaded up to test).  Fed and ejected them just fine.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk


Kirk,
     Glad it seems to be working.  Is it possible that the barrels are not quite quality as controlled as Remington thinks they are?   My neighbor ordered one, and it
plunked great, but would not drop into the slide.  Breech was a hair too wide.  What is "Dead Trigger"?
Blackie 

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A good day at the range. Little R51 ran flawless as usual. Was a great time.
Got home and stated cleaning the little fella...my nemesis with the R51.
My fingers slipped on reassemble and the next thing I know I'm wearing a slide on my little finger. So after saying ouch and a few not so polite words I got the dumb thing off. 2 soaked bandaids and an hour later it was back together. Moral of the story....keep all appendages away from that spring and the ejection port.

Thom9mil,
     I have gotten more blood blisters from the R51 than any other pistol.  But Gawd! is it fun to shoot.  Do you have a clamp to hold
The barrel when you remove the slide?
Blackie

 https://www.amazon.com/Irwin-58100-Quick-Grip-Spring-Clamp/dp/B00OXOA0EA/ref=pd_day0_469_6?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00OXOA0EA&pd_rd_r=X17W18SBHCF6KHCTZS8T&pd_rd_w=x2iUA&pd_rd_wg=bydiq&psc=1&refRID=X17W18SBHCF6KHCTZS8T

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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51s at Bud's
« on: June 15, 2017, 09:55:13 AM »
Yes, I saw another local gun shop under $300 as well.

I understand Remington offering the rebate to generate a little buzz, but where is the corresponding price drop coming from?


Who Cares ???

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R51 General Discussion / R51s at Bud's
« on: June 15, 2017, 06:10:10 AM »
Buds has R51's for $297.00 Free shipping!  And Remington is giving $50.00 rebates until the end of june!

Might get myself a couple Just for grins. 
Blackie

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R51 General Discussion / Re: After Market Parts
« on: June 01, 2017, 07:11:24 AM »
Other than grips, has anyone seen after market parts for the R51? Magazine improvements, etc.


paul7177,
I have seen no after market parts advertised yet.   The only magazine improvements have been done by us owners by communicating with
each other.   I feel that the after market industry is leery of Remington and the R51 after the almost 3 year fiasco.  Lack of communication
from Big Green, and lack of proper support has left a bad taste for the industry and customers.  I really love my R51 as do many others,
but in the back of my mind is "what do we do if something breaks"?   Send our guns to Lower Slobovia, Georgia to be placed in limbo
for months?"   There is no website that I know of where factory parts can be ordered. 
That being said, I feel that there would be a great market for a new trigger, sights and maybe Mec-gar mags for this pistol. 
Just my opinion.
Blackie



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General Discussion / Re: Holster...
« on: May 20, 2017, 07:52:39 AM »
Like many R51 owners (I presume), I have been searching for a decent holster... I found one on eBay (a deSantis) that was exactly what I was looking for - it is item number 162510531362 (just search the number in the search bar). Says it's for a Beretta, but I investigated and found out the SKU was the same as the one for the R51 and popped for it. It came today and is a perfect fit. Just tryin' to help!

Pat

Plunkster,
     Which model beretta?   You just made a bunch of R51 shooters very happy.
Blackie

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