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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 fired without cartridge fully seated.
« on: October 18, 2017, 12:21:24 AM »
I just "plunk-checked" my reloads and they are perfect... You might have a lemon barrel(?) Not sure if it makes any difference, but I bought mine right after the Gen 2s came out and haven't had any of the problems I have seen people talk about on this forum (after about the first 100 rounds).
I plunk mine too.  I actually bought a second barrel so that I could have it in my reloading gear to plunk right away.

The rounds that plunk right end up being so short that they cause feed problems.

It's not too big a deal, just a bit irritating is all.  I'll just feed the R51 factory fresh ammo and save my reloads for all of my other 9mm chambered guns.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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Introductions section / Re: Hello, from Galveston Island
« on: October 17, 2017, 03:12:34 AM »
OK, as I said, I am not very savy on these things!
Didnt mean to ride someone elses introductry post!

(Still havent found the right place!)

Sorry!
Click this link:
http://r51pistol.com/introductions/

Then cluck the blue "NEW TOPIC" button.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 fired without cartridge fully seated.
« on: October 17, 2017, 12:31:06 AM »
Hmmm... I haven't had any trouble with my reloads at all... I load Xtreme copper-plated, 115gr, over 4.7gr of W231 with a COL of 1.15 inches. What do you load?
I've tried 6 different bullets.

Most recently, RMR 115gr FMJ  - https://rmrbullets.com/shop/bullets-for-reloading/9mm-115-grain-rmr-fmj/?v=7516fd43adaa
But also:
115 gr. Hard Cast coated with a softer "dome" profile by Black Bullets - http://shop.blackbulletsinternational.com/9-115gr-500-9-115-500QTY.htm?categoryId=1
115 gr. Hard Cast coated from Missouri Bullet Company - http://missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=316&category=5&secondary=8&keywords=
125 gr. Hard Cast "Cone Nose" coated from Missouri Bullet Company - http://missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=237&category=5&secondary=8&keywords=
124 gr. Hard Cast from Missouri Bullet Company - http://missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=51&category=5&secondary=8&keywords=
115 gr. Hard Cast coated from SNS Casting - http://www.snscasting.com/new-red-9mm-115-grain-round-nose-coated-500ct/

The most successful was the SNS bullets.

My biggest problem is the short Leade/Freebore.  I can almost never make the loads at the recommended COAL.  It fails the plunk test almost every time.  Often, when set at the recommended COAL, it impinges so strongly past the Leade that a tool most be used to pull the cartridge back out of the chamber after the Plunk.  So I have to seat the bullets deeper.  This means that 1) have to reduce the powder charge and 2) end up with an ever decreasing COAL.  The decreasing COAL frequently makes feeding a problem.  I end up with live-round "stove pipes" feed errors or even rounds popping out of the mag during firing.

My worst results were with the FMJ.  Dangerously OP issues.  I shot 5 rounds and pulled back down to components the other 45 that I built.

My best results were with the SNS bullets.  I still had failure to feed issues with them, but far less than with other bullets.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 fired without cartridge fully seated.
« on: October 16, 2017, 12:44:09 AM »
I had that same exact thing happen to me with the gen 1 version of the R51. I sent it back to Remington and got my money back. Now, I will say that Winchester white box ammo is not the highest quality, I recently had one round in which the case was just slightly longer than it should have been and locked up the PPS M2 that I was shooting at the time (the gun would not go fully into battery and would not fire). With the generation 2 version of the gun I was surprised that Remington did not change the chamber so that it would fully support the case of the 9 mm. I still love this gun and would love to have the gen 2 version but just not ready to buy one,  still waiting to see if Remington gets all the problems fixed.     
My biggest complaint with the R51 barrel is the very short Leade/freebore.  It makes building reloads which work well for my R51 such a PITA that I've given up on it.

I'll reload for my other 9's but just have to bite the bullet (har har) so to speak and feed the R51 factory ammo.  Aggravates me.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 fired without cartridge fully seated.
« on: October 10, 2017, 04:53:19 AM »
I'm sorry to hear about your mishap.  I'm glad that you are OK.

There is a possibility that what you experienced was NOT an out-of-battery detonation but, instead, a case failure.

Because the Pedersen Block/"Hesitation" Block acts as a simple blowback operated firearm for the first, very short, portion of recoil action, it is not locked in place yet.  It is possible that the case moved as it normally would but a weak case or an over-pressure event (for one of several reasons) caused a case failure and you experienced a blowout.

Is this what happened?  I don't know but I do know that the R51 has an Out-of-Battery Disconnect which is supposed to prevent out-of-battery firing.  So the OOB disconnect might have failed to properly function, or there might have been an overpressure or weak case.

In any event, it is heartening that the design of the firearm worked.  What I mean is that most modern pistols are designed so that if there is a case blowout, it channels the expanding gasses down the magazine well which helps protect the shooter.

Was there any brass shrapnel that escaped through the ejection port?

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Notes from a new owner
« on: October 10, 2017, 03:26:46 AM »
That one shoots about 10 inches low at 20 yards, I'm going to have to swap sights to get it on target.  This is a little more serious problem, didn't matter what the bullet weight was.  Thanks to the one poster that pointed me to Dawson Precision and the fact that it's a Novak style cut on the front.  I was able to hold up about half the front dot and get centered groups with a center hold.  Not something I want to do anywhere but a range.
Most of the new Remington hanguns are set up with "Center Hold" sighting.



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Another niggle, the magazine release on the unfired gun takes both hands to depress the button and drop the magazine, the other gun is nowhere near that hard to work.  Anyone had that trouble?
Same issue as you noted about racking the slide on a full mag.  The top round is pressing hard against the mechanics above it (Pedersen block).  Lock the slide back and remove the mag.  That's not the way we're usually taught to do it, of course, but it does release the pressure on the top of the mag.


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When Gen 1 was first announced, there was supposed to be a whole raft of accessories for the gun.  A lot of vendors still have them listed but out of stock.  Particularly interested in barrels and magazines.  Magazines are probably OOS until Rem makes a run of the revised ones.  About the only thing still in stock anywhere is the trigger guard laser.  Interested in that, too, but it's 2/3rds the cost of the gun.  Grip panels also seem to be missing.  Anyone seen threaded barrels anywhere but custom shops?
I don't think they were ever commercially made.  Just prototypes.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Gave up on HC in my R51
« on: October 05, 2017, 12:24:02 AM »
I've been shooting Xtreme bullets (115 gr) with no problems...
Of all the HC bullets I've tried, the most reliable feeding was those from SNS Casting.  It has a similar profile to the standard FMJ, just a tad shorter.  While they fed mostly OK, I still had occasional issues.  Every 2-5 mags, I'd have one or more feed problems with them.

I still don't have feed issues with factory FMJ.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Gave up on HC in my R51
« on: October 04, 2017, 12:32:10 AM »
Whelp. I've given up on trying to find a Hard Cast Lead (HC) which works reliably in my R51.  After trying five (5) different HC bullet shapes and weights (115gr x 3, 124gr, and 125gr).  I broke down an ordered 1,000 115gr. FMJ from Rocky Mountain Reloading.

My picky-eater R51 has always seemed to like standard profile ogive 115gr. FMJ so I have high hopes.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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Introductions section / Re: New Member Introduction
« on: September 29, 2017, 03:51:30 AM »
After reading several posts regarding magazine issues, I'm a bit confused.  Is it necessary to trim 3/16 off each leg of the mag follower?
Only if you are having problems.  If you are not, leave it be.  :)

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 Article by Wiley Clapp on American Rifleman
« on: September 29, 2017, 03:50:34 AM »
Thanks for the update.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 Article by Wiley Clapp on American Rifleman
« on: September 28, 2017, 12:56:30 AM »
The plot thickens...

I suppose the bean counters and execs are busy counting up the number of pistols sold and multiplying by the cost of new magazines times 2 before they are willing to admit [again] that they didn't have all of the kinks worked out last September.
That said, I have seen a couple of manufacturers release updated designs to magazines without recalling the old, giving out new for free, or even "admitting" to anything in particular.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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No offense, but why don't you just live with what you have? The R51 isn't a target pistol and the trigger is perfectly fine for the defense role (for which this pistol is intended). Not sure what the big deal is...
I dunno, why do people put custom grips on their guns?  Because they like the way it looks.  :)

Also, though I don't think it's a huge deal, it would be nice to get rid of that trigger wobble.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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Kirk,
     I suppose one could go to a reputable machine shop and have a trigger made.
The heck with Galloway.  This is what I intend to do.
Blackie
That would run afoul of ITAR.  :(

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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A bit over a year ago I contacted Galloway Precision to ask if they would be making replacement triggers for the R51.  Brandyn Langston, Lead Gunsmith for Galloway responded that they would be but that they'd be taking their time about it to make sure that 1) they got their product right and 2) that the Gen 2 wasn't going to be a flop.

Now, a year and a month later, I contacted them again to ask for an update.  This is the one-sentence response that I received from Mr. Langston: "We're not going to be making any parts for the R51."

Given that the trigger is one of the biggest complaints about the R51, the side-to-side "wobble" and that many people describe the trigger itself as "cheesy plastic" I am very disappointed in this turn.  While there are other manufacturers which make drop in replacement triggers, I considered Galloway to be the best candidate.  Perhaps they may change their mind at some point in the future if they get enough interest from R51 owners.  They do have products for the RM380 and the RP9, after all.

:(

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 Aficionados are smart.
« on: September 20, 2017, 12:00:38 AM »
Guys and gals,
     Has anybody else noticed that the number of complaints are dropping
drastically on this blog?   I feel that it is because we as a team have helped
each other with tips and clues on how to whip this R51 demon.   It is fun,
sometimes depressing, often mind boggling, but in the end we have tamed
this Remington monster.   I personally love my R51,  The style, the feel
and the way it shoots.   If it quit shooting tomorrow, I would still love it.
It would join my other safe queen.   A Chiappa .22 1911.  No, on second thought,
nothing is that bad!
Blackie

Kirk, sirbrian, scurmudgeon  CW3 Retired  etal,
Kudos!
Might be.  Yup.  :)

I think that Rem has also tightened up their process.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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