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R51 General Discussion / Re: Results so far
« on: October 11, 2018, 01:52:20 AM »
Update:

Installed the night sights; really no change in POI.  Have from the beginning used the "center" or "combat" hold and still too low (7-10 yards).  Mostly shooting 115 grain bullets not +P.  Expect to try 147 grain again and see if any difference now that I am more comfortable with the gun.
Heavier bullets will typically impact a tad higher but probably not that much higher at 7 yards.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Results so far
« on: October 09, 2018, 11:33:17 PM »
It's not a problem.  They're not shooting low.  The sights are set to "Combat Hold" or sometimes called "Military Center Hold."
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Kirk,

My Ruger SR 1911 doesn't hold to this theory. You shoot it with the top of the front site at 6 o clock of the intended target. If I used a combat hold on it, it would be overshooting the target. No other pistol I own uses a "combat hold". I think Todd is right here. The R51 is the odd one out.
I don't disagree that it is not the most most common. Only that it is not particularly new and unheard of, has a fair history, a reasonable theory of use, and that there's nothing "wrong" with the sight.

The sight is not shooting low.  It's not a problem.  Just have to know how it's sighted and shoot it that way.  You don't have to know why but it helps if you do.  :)

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Results so far
« on: October 09, 2018, 05:24:04 AM »
I've not found that to be the case with my 1911R1's. I'm curious, has Remington ever confirmed the "Combat Hold" for the sights, or did shooters just come up with it as a way to explain the low POI for the R51. I keep seeing people post that information in forums, but I've never seen a reference to an official comment from the manufacturer.

Howard
Why would they have to?  It matches up with a common sighting system and it doesn't seem like any other manufacturer states it.

https://www.nationalgunforum.com/semi-auto-handgun-discussion/59073-can-someone-translate-me.html


https://sigtalk.com/legion-series/222529-how-does-your-legion-sight.html


https://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/200816-uspc-shooting-low.html


https://sigtalk.com/sig-sauer-pistols/1628-12-o-clock-sight-picture.html


Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Results so far
« on: October 09, 2018, 02:33:49 AM »
It's not a problem.  They're not shooting low.  The sights are set to "Combat Hold" or sometimes called "Military Center Hold."

Line up the spots and the bullet goes right in the middle of the front spot.  Don't use a 6 o'clock hold ("target hold" or "bullseye hold").   Don't use the Divided Bullseye hold.  When you have your proper Sight Alignment ("Equal Height, Equal Light") then the front spot will cover the impact.  It's supposed to make it quicker to sight during a gunfight.  Just get the front sight over top of the bad guy's center and press the trigger.

The 1911R1 has the same sighting from the factory.

https://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/articles/review-remington-r51.146/



Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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Remington R51 Facts and Specs / Re: Desantis Sof-Tuk holster
« on: October 05, 2018, 01:09:27 AM »
More so than just carrying the gun, does anyone have a system or holster for carry extra mags?
Yes, the folks I mentioned above, Defensive Training Solutions, took a mold of my mag.  They're making a kydex mag carrier for me and can make as many as you want.  IMS, it's about $20.

Contact them.  Good folks to work with.  Trustworthy and reliable.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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Remington R51 Facts and Specs / Re: Desantis Sof-Tuk holster
« on: October 04, 2018, 02:36:03 AM »
I just had Defensive Training Solutions make a kydex Tuckable IWB/OWB convertible for my R51.  "Skin guard" on the inside.  $80.  I've worn it both ways.  I like it.

Having them make a high collar single mag kydex mag pouch too.

https://www.defensivetrainingsolutions.com/

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Joined you reloaders, finally.
« on: September 25, 2018, 12:15:50 AM »
Be sure to plunk test your 9mm loads for the R51.  I have two barrels and both of them seem to have SAMMI minimum spec Lead.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Any range updates?
« on: September 10, 2018, 12:55:30 AM »
Does it shoot low from a rest or is it something in the ergonomics that result in low hits?
It's the sights.  They are "Combat Center Hold."  When you have a proper sight alignment, the bullet goes right in the middle of the front sight spot.  For most of us, we are used to either Bullseye sight picture or divided front post sight picture.  Those will send the shots low.  A bullseye sight picture will send the shots to 6 o'clock below in the 8 ring depending on your distance and target.

Basically, it's a training issue.

I tend to hit better (at close-ish range) using instinctive shooting with the R51.  It points very naturally.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: Any range updates?
« on: September 07, 2018, 02:50:16 AM »
I was doing Up Drills weekend before last.

Shot 115gr Remington brand FMJ from a bucket o' bullets.  Worked just fine but I still tend to pull low. 

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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General Discussion / HPFF Back To School giveaway
« on: August 31, 2018, 12:16:46 AM »
HPFF is having a "Back To School" giveaway.

A set of 5 NiteSiters dots.

https://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/threads/back-to-school-giveaway-nitesiters.326942/

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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R51 General Discussion / Re: R51 on sale...
« on: August 14, 2018, 12:57:36 AM »
It still shows in stock at most of the gun deals retailers.  Doesnt seem like anybody is running out of them.

Things may have changed since their bankruptcy was discharged.  At least as far as those rebates go.  Still, might be some black friday deals to look for.
Well, Remington has gotten a couple of Army contracts for M4 carbines.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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Introductions section / Re: New to the Community
« on: July 25, 2018, 02:01:29 AM »
Hi Folks,

I'm a brand new R51 owner from Louisville, KY.  Found a great deal on the pistol, intrigued by the low bore axis.  Just had my first trip to the range, and I experienced what I've read about here, with a difference between POA and POI.  Good grouping, just not where I expected.  I've watched the disassembly videos and probably invented a few new words getting it put back together the first time, but all is well and I know that I can do it.  I love the way my R51 shoots and handles, now to figure out where to aim!

DzlRob
It may be the method you're using for sighting.  I had exactly the same problem with my 1911R1.  Turns out that it is dead on if I use "combat hold" instead of "target hold" or "6 o'clock hold."

Line up the spots and the POI should be in the exact center of the front spot.

Use the bottom pic for the proper sight picture on Remington handguns:




Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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Introductions section / Re: My Introduction
« on: July 25, 2018, 01:58:56 AM »
Since Robert demanded an entry here I'll put my first post here!!!

I am an old man; retired from the US Air Force back in 1977.  Worked for an Air Force contractor for another 23 years and then quit altogether in early 2000.

I have been a shooting and sometime hunter since about 1960. 

I own a bunch of firearms from .17 HMR to .30-06 in rifles; .22 lr to .45 ACP in handguns; and a few 20 and 12 gauge shotguns.

I don't get to shoot nearly as much as I would like.  Too much to do around the place.

I bought a R51 last winter because it got so inexpensive/cheap I couldn't pass it up.

Finally got out a few days ago and everything performed just find.  BUT, mine also has the old THE POI IS ABOUT SIX INCHES LOW AT 10 YARDS.  Can't believe Remington didn't pay attention to this defect from the beginning.  Now, I have to find an after market front sight to fix that boo boo. 

REMINGTON - PAY ATTENTION - I know you can afford to do that!!
Like Crosstrains says, it may be the method you're using for sighting.  I had exactly the same problem with my 1911R1.  Turns out that it is dead on if I use "combat hold" instead of "target hold" or "6 o'clock hold."

Line up the spots and the POI should be in the exact center of the front spot.

Use the bottom pic for the proper sight picture on Remington handguns:




Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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I thought I responded to this yesterday but...

Anyway, if they are the sights that Remington sells on their sight it may be that the point of aim will be the same as factory.
I bought the Remington fiber optic sights and the point of aim is still 4" low at 7 yards, which is what I saw with stock sights.
The good news is I was able to tighten my groups with the new sights.

Hrm, that's not good. Much easier to lower POI than to raise it. If you don't mind losing the R51 aesthetics on the rear sight, you could install a higher rear sight from another pistol (maybe a CZ) or find a really low front sight (big dot maybe, or again a CZ).

Is low POI a common issue? Higher rear sight could be another good aftermarket product.

Well, it seems to be this way with a couple of other folks I know that have R51's. They hit low. I kind of thought new sights would fix this but it did not. The gun groups great so the elevation issues don't really bother me. I will not be using it in competitions.
Remington sets their sites at what is sometimes referred to as "Combat Center Hold."  If you're used to the classic "Bullseye Hold" or "6 o'clock" hold, then the POI will be low every time.

In "combat center hold," the POI is supposed to be the spot on the front sight, not the top edge or the bull above the top edge.

This is such a common complaint that it should be part of a FAQ or something.



Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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General Discussion / Re: Time for boycotts
« on: March 29, 2018, 02:42:56 AM »
That's nothing new.  He's been a gun banner for decades.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Kirk,

Did you read the article? There was more there than just that. The guys logic is very good in dealing with those who have an anti-gun mindset. Not that you would make any "converts".
No, I didn't read it.  I know former Justice Stevens has been a gun-grabber for ages.  I've heard several deconstructions of his article on the various podcasts which I listen to so I didn't feel the need to read another one.  This one might be good, but I just didn't need to read it.  :)

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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