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Author Topic: CZ75 vs R51  (Read 792 times)

DUTCH Van Atlanta

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CZ75 vs R51
« on: July 26, 2017, 01:17:35 AM »
I had both the CZ75 SP-01 Tactical and the Remington R51 to the range yesterday.  The CZ75 is a far superior weapon to shoot, both for comfort and accuracy.

That is obviously to be expected as the CZ75 has a longer barrel, heavier weight for better recoil and a larger grip for my big mitts.

The ONLY advantages to the R51 are that ii is easily concealable and has the CT laser for easier target acquisition.  It really hurts my hands to shoot, so for me it's a lousy range gun.  It is also much more picky when it comes to ammo.  It does NOT like the Russian Wolf brand, resulting in several FTF's.

I may just sell the R51 and use my CZ83 for CC.  Even though it's only a .380, with Buffalo Bore ammo it hits pretty hard.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2017, 01:25:21 AM by DUTCH Van Atlanta »
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Re: CZ75 vs R51
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2017, 02:29:51 AM »
I had both the CZ75 SP-01 Tactical and the Remington R51 to the range yesterday.  The CZ75 is a far superior weapon to shoot, both for comfort and accuracy.

That is obviously to be expected as the CZ75 has a longer barrel, heavier weight for better recoil and a larger grip for my big mitts.

The ONLY advantages to the R51 are that ii is easily concealable and has the CT laser for easier target acquisition.  It really hurts my hands to shoot, so for me it's a lousy range gun.  It is also much more picky when it comes to ammo.  It does NOT like the Russian Wolf brand, resulting in several FTF's.

I may just sell the R51 and use my CZ83 for CC.  Even though it's only a .380, with Buffalo Bore ammo it hits pretty hard.



Actually, Dutch, my R51 will eat anything I put in it.   Even Winchester USA Forged steel cartridge.   I do not use the Russian stuff except in Russian guns.
Too dirty. I have large hands also, but I went down to Cavender's western Wear and bought a pair of riding gloves.  They work great. 
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Re: CZ75 vs R51
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2017, 08:22:55 AM »

Actually, Dutch, my R51 will eat anything I put in it.   Even Winchester USA Forged steel cartridge.   I do not use the Russian stuff except in Russian guns.
Too dirty. I have large hands also, but I went down to Cavender's western Wear and bought a pair of riding gloves.  They work great. 
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The Wolf ammo hangs in the magazines, like it is just slightly too long.  I shortened the follower legs by 3/16", but that doesn't prevent the hangs against the front of the mag and the resultant FTF.  My Beretta 92FS, CZ75 and Sig P226 Blackwater all feed the Wolf ammo with no hangups whatsoever.

I think the R51 problem is mag related.  Even when manually stripping the cartridges (any cartridge, btw) out of the mags by hand, they feel like they're catching on something.  None of my other pistols, including the .380 CZ83 do that.  The cartridges all slide out easily and smoothly.  Not so the R51.
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Re: CZ75 vs R51
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2017, 12:44:14 AM »

Actually, Dutch, my R51 will eat anything I put in it.   Even Winchester USA Forged steel cartridge.   I do not use the Russian stuff except in Russian guns.
Too dirty. I have large hands also, but I went down to Cavender's western Wear and bought a pair of riding gloves.  They work great. 
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The Wolf ammo hangs in the magazines, like it is just slightly too long.  I shortened the follower legs by 3/16", but that doesn't prevent the hangs against the front of the mag and the resultant FTF.  My Beretta 92FS, CZ75 and Sig P226 Blackwater all feed the Wolf ammo with no hangups whatsoever.

I think the R51 problem is mag related.  Even when manually stripping the cartridges (any cartridge, btw) out of the mags by hand, they feel like they're catching on something.  None of my other pistols, including the .380 CZ83 do that.  The cartridges all slide out easily and smoothly.  Not so the R51.


Dutch,
     I have noticed the same thing when removing cartridges from my R51 mags.  Seems they have a tendency to nose down.  But, when shooting, they feed correctly.
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Re: CZ75 vs R51
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2017, 10:56:53 PM »
My cartridges seem to catch the rear rim of cartridge on the rear groove of the cartridge under it.  Whatever, the movement of the rounds from the mag is not smooth.

I have pretty much made the decision to sell my R51; and use my CZ83 for CC.  The R51 is just too "fussy" for me, in addition to the fact that I cannot achieve comfort with that small grip.  I'm also surprised at the amount of internal wear on the pistol after only 200-250 rounds through it.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2017, 12:53:04 AM by DUTCH Van Atlanta »
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