...what's next on my to make list
Tomorrow?????
Quote from: Rocky150 on January 01, 2018, 06:41:23 PM
Tomorrow?????
Maybe next week. I had to start over on the trigger.
Todd,
We are counting on you pardner!
Blackie
This should be big. I am willing to bet, that once our in house wizard here gets done with making this follower, feeding issues will become a thing of the past. Todd, one thing I am curious about, if you can replicate the Shield follower on top, and keep the rest of the follower body Remington? However you do it, I wish you the best of luck!
Well it was a royal PITA but it's ready to test. No sloppy fit with this one. The new feed angle is a little higher than the original gen1 but much less than that "ski ramp" Remington added to the front of the gen2.
Quote from: funflyer on January 10, 2018, 03:48:24 PM
Well it was a royal PITA but it's ready to test. No sloppy fit with this one. The new feed angle is a little higher than the original gen1 but much less than that "ski ramp" Remington added to the front of the gen2.
Now that is a follower Todd! Looks great, and I bet it will function even better! Would you consider making these for craving customers on this forum?
All of my fingers and other body parts are crossed!!!!!!
Todd,
Good work, can't wait to hear the review.
Blackie
Very cool.
Quote from: R51Fan2017 on January 10, 2018, 05:08:32 PM
Now that is a follower Todd! Looks great, and I bet it will function even better! Would you consider making these for craving customers on this forum?
Sean, If I could mass produce these or even make them in a reasonable amount of time I would. The follower you see took me about 6 hours over 3 days to make. To make several more is not something I want to commit to, sorry. Remington is the one who needs to step up and come up with a permanent fix for their mags instead of just throwing new mags at their customers who have issues.
However, what I would like to try next is a reasonable fix for the originals, or at least for the ones causing nosedive problems. The fix would be to epoxy a shim to the inside of the mag body, at the back to allow the undersized original followers to fit properly. I might also remove the steep ramp that Remington added to the front of the follower. This would essentially do the same thing as my new follower. What I'd need is a mag that continuously causes nosedives, a bad gen1 mag would be perfect. Anyone have one? I'd mod it and send it back so they could run it through some testing.
Quote from: funflyer on January 11, 2018, 10:57:55 AM
Remington is the one who needs to step up and come up with a permanent fix for their mags instead of just throwing new mags at their customers who have issues.
You are dead right here Todd. They need to take care of their customers better than what they have been. As far as making the follower goes, I understand. Honestly, I am surprised that you got that one made in 6 hours. You are quite a craftsman. Thanks for throwing your mods out here for all of us to see. I might be able to mod my follower to look pretty close to what you have going here. Although, I don't think the ramp is giving me as much trouble, as is the sloppy fit in the magazine.
Quote from: funflyer on January 10, 2018, 03:48:24 PM
Well it was a royal PITA but it's ready to test. No sloppy fit with this one. The new feed angle is a little higher than the original gen1 but much less than that "ski ramp" Remington added to the front of the gen2.
This seems like the sort of thing that would work well on a 3D Printer as a "Maker Project."
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
Quote from: lklawson on January 11, 2018, 02:04:00 PMThis seems like the sort of thing that would work well on a 3D Printer as a "Maker Project."
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
Never thought of that but it would be the best option for mass production.
Okay, took it to the range today and the last round FTF stovepipes still occurred. Only happens with the one mag and with either the original or new follower. So when cleaning the pistol tonight I thought I'd check out the mag spring tension while I was at it.
Turns out the mag spring with the issue exerts about 10 ounces less pressure on the last round than the fail free mag spring does. Not sure how significant that is but have heard about feed issues and such with 1911s when the mag springs get weak.
Fun Flyer,
All I can find on the web about springs is that the springs take years to get weak.
I know that my carry weapons have loaded mags for months and do not get weak.
IMHO.
Blackie
Normally, that is so Blackie.
However, with what seems to be going on here, is that Rem has a big, uncontroled bunch of magazine parts out there!
I am sure that some of mine as unused, were off by close to 50 percent! I had to use an uplala on some for the first loading and at least one, just thumbed down, easy-peasy!
That, and lip and follower bends that are not even close in some cases!
I believe that the mags are the 2nd gen's bigest problem!
Now, funflyer, I see you mentioned the sights again over on another post, including them as desired after market items.
I havent looked for it, but I do believe someone mentioned that there was a "light pipe" one out there that fits. That would be my choice if I decide to replace the front one.
That said, I am pretty satisfied just as is.
Yeah, I know that if you shoot this gun as a "bullseye" shooter, it's going to impact low.
But I just cover where I want the bullet to impact with the front sight and bingo, my varmint is dead!
I think they call it milliary and maybe police, type impact. Works for me.
But then, I dont shoot much paper, just steel and varmints. (So far, all four legged, thank God!)
FF, check the lips and the bend that stops the follower from rising too far or too little, on that problem mag.
Compare with the ones that work well.
Quote from: Chokejug on January 15, 2018, 10:39:22 PM
FF, check the lips and the bend that stops the follower from rising too far or too little, on that problem mag.
Compare with the ones that work well.
I compared them a while ago and there was difference. The mag with the problem had the lip bent in farther so I bent it out to match the good one. I ordered some different springs last night to try and increase the tension, so we'll see. In the mean time I will call the Green Machine and have them send a new mag. The more we complain to them the sooner they might do something.
Don't hold your breath until Remington does something.
Funflyer,
Where can I get new springs that fit? Are they standard single stack springs? Is there such a thing? I trimmed one of mine to alleviate the tension on the first round feeding and may have overdone it. Afraid 7th round may not have enough to reliably feed, now.
Crosstrains,
I have noticed that the mags that need an Uplula to load are the ones that
have FTFs. The mags I modified with a clip of one curl on the springs seem to
work batter. Yet other mags need the follower modified. There is no
happy medium. I am keeping records on 8 mags, and each one has a different
symptom.
Blackie
Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on January 15, 2018, 09:11:36 PM
Fun Flyer,
All I can find on the web about springs is that the springs take years to get weak.
I know that my carry weapons have loaded mags for months and do not get weak.
IMHO.
Blackie
Correct. Contrary to popular belief, it is not duration of loading that causes modern spring steel to 'set', but the cycles of loading, unloading, loading, unloading, loading...
Springs can be overloaded, though, and spring design attempts to limit the percent compression. Pistol mags place a higher premium on maximized space utilization than individual longevity, so you get springs designed to compress to 100% in order to squeeze in that extra round.
Cameron knows where of he speaks!
I think we are lucky to have him here.
I'd bet he has degrees coming out his, mmm, hat?
Funny, I spent my working years in metals technology, mostly different types of welding.
Started out under the hood, and ended up a senior welding engineer. That is with no formal schooling beyond high school.
My relationships with PHDs was a bit harried.
30 or 40 percent, maybe, loved me. When they had something they wanted done, I got the call.
The other 60 or 70 percent were pretty stand offish!
This was in weapons research and production.
Nuclear weapons, that is.
No PhD's here, my noggin's big enough as it is!
I'm just a lowly BSME, but I do have certifications from both the Army and Marine Corps engineer schools, and VA Systems Engineering, so I guess that counts for something?
Now is the time to mourn the great losses we've suffered in tech and trade schools, industrial institutes, OTJ. There's so much societal pressure for everyone to go to a college they don't need for a degree they can't use, that nobody stops to consider a trade anymore.
Learn by doing. There's a lot to be said about bootstrapping, about studying on your own, and experimenting, and spending time in the shop working out the ideas floating around in your head. That's what's so fun about the smaller gun communities!
Todd,
To prove out the springs, take the mags apart and swap the springs.
BTW, have you numbered your mags with a Dremel tool or something?
Blackie