I have done a search. I found a thread about the R51 shooting low on Google and clicked on in it brought me to the board and then I had to sign in. Now I can't find the thread. So, with apologies, I will ask the question.
I have close to 300 rounds through my R51 I bought about a month ago. It is shooting low. I have read that Dawson Presicion has the proper height front sight. Went to their web site and they have no listing for anything for the R51.
What is the trick on getting a set of sights from them?
TIA!
At 50 feet, mine is right on with a "combat hold" - i.e. putting the front "dot" on top of (i.e. covering) the target. It kinda makes sense that it would shoot a little low at the "normal" 7 yards, which is where I assume you're shooting(?)
I just took a look at mine and I think you could file the front sight down and re-do the dot. In fact, you could probably file it down to a post and just paint it white.
Pat
Quote from: gunnut1 on November 26, 2017, 06:56:35 PM
I have done a search. I found a thread about the R51 shooting low on Google and clicked on in it brought me to the board and then I had to sign in. Now I can't find the thread. So, with apologies, I will ask the question.
I have close to 300 rounds through my R51 I bought about a month ago. It is shooting low. I have read that Dawson Presicion has the proper height front sight. Went to their web site and they have no listing for anything for the R51.
What is the trick on getting a set of sights from them?
TIA! Hey Gunnut, As to your R 51 sights and shooting low question, Refer to my post here under General Discussion, page 2 Trijicon night sights for R51 Sept 25,17
I'm hitting at least a foot low at 15 yds.; will be looking for replacement or altered sights. Will be next shooting at 7-10 yds. just to see how it hits at defensive range.
Quote from: gunnut1 on November 26, 2017, 06:56:35 PM
I have done a search. I found a thread about the R51 shooting low on Google and clicked on in it brought me to the board and then I had to sign in. Now I can't find the thread. So, with apologies, I will ask the question.
I have close to 300 rounds through my R51 I bought about a month ago. It is shooting low. I have read that Dawson Presicion has the proper height front sight. Went to their web site and they have no listing for anything for the R51.
What is the trick on getting a set of sights from them?
TIA!
Gunnut
, The sights on the R51 are set on military center. place the sights over the target and you will be dead on at 15 yds.
I know it is a drag, but that is the way Big Green set the sights up. Takes practice!
blackie
Thanks guys. I am confused though. Military hold? Put the muzzle over the target? What, HUH? I learned and teach 12:00 o'clock hold and 6:00 o'clock hold. I have never heard of a mlitary hold. What exactly is a military hold? Do I aim at the top of the "bulls eye", center of the "bulls eye" or bottom of the "bulls eye"? I have been using a 6:00 o'clock hold, that is the bottom of the "bulls eye". Seems to me that if I use this so called military hold, which I assume is the top of the "bulls eye", I cannot see the target. What is the point of that? That would mean that to shoot center of mass on a human, you would have to aim for the neck or collar bone. Strange. Where did you guys hear about this so called military hold? Referances?
Seems to me it would be better just to change the sights. ???
My R51 also shot low and a few inches to the right, I ended up filing the the front sight down and moving the front sight to the right.
This link explains how to estimate how much to remove from the front blade
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?topic=4147.0;wap2 (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?topic=4147.0;wap2)
Hey guys,I found this Army manual. Is this the military hold you guys are talking about? See chapter 2.
http://www.saveourguns.com/Ar_Marks_Un_Pistol_Train_Guide.pdf (http://www.saveourguns.com/Ar_Marks_Un_Pistol_Train_Guide.pdf)
Quote from: gunnut1 on November 29, 2017, 06:57:40 PM
Thanks guys. I am confused though. Military hold? Put the muzzle over the target? What, HUH? I learned and teach 12:00 o'clock hold and 6:00 o'clock hold. I have never heard of a mlitary hold. What exactly is a military hold? Do I aim at the top of the "bulls eye", center of the "bulls eye" or bottom of the "bulls eye"? I have been using a 6:00 o'clock hold, that is the bottom of the "bulls eye". Seems to me that if I use this so called military hold, which I assume is the top of the "bulls eye", I cannot see the target. What is the point of that? That would mean that to shoot center of mass on a human, you would have to aim for the neck or collar bone. Strange. Where did you guys hear about this so called military hold? Referances?
Seems to me it would be better just to change the sights. ???
Gunnut1,
Combat Centery hold is to cover the center of the bull with the sight. Hope the article helps.
Blackie
https://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/articles/review-remington-r51.146/
What you guys are calling a combat hold or a military hold is actualy a 12 o'clock hold.
Thanks for the information.
Now back to my original question. Does anyone know where I can buy a set of sights that are not night sights that will give me the proper 6 o'clock hold?
Gunnut1, As to your question about the R 51 sights. Refer to my post in General discussion ,page 2 Triijicon night sights for R 51. Dated Sept. 25,17. Dawson has about any type of sights for any pistol. Hope this helps....FRED
Hi. I need to move both front and rear sights...yet even after loosening the set screw and putting tiny drop of Kroil 'creeping' oil, placing slide in padded vice and trying to drift sights with an appropriate tool, they won't move at all, almost like they're 'welded' into place or something. Any suggestions as to how I can move them? What did you do to get them to slide over? Thanks. Springfield Art.
Springfield, RE; As to moving your pistol sights. Forget the vice. Lay the pistol flat on it's side on a really sturdy bench on a towel or piece of leather. Use a brass punch. In this case a 1/4" brass punch. A pretty hefty hammer. Make sure the piece your working on is very solid on the bench. Smack the punch really hard. It will take several good licks. In these type of dovetail cuts I always work the sights left to right. Hope this helps...FRED
Here's what I use to drift sights. These are tool bits for lathes, come in different sizes and are cheap. They fit better than a round punch and stay square to the sight so moving the sight is very easy. I also use a vise but set micarta on each side of the slide to prevent marring. Haven't scratched a sight or slide yet.
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Quote from: Ranger 869 on December 02, 2017, 12:31:27 PM
Gunnut1, As to your question about the R 51 sights. Refer to my post in General discussion ,page 2 Triijicon night sights for R 51. Dated Sept. 25,17. Dawson has about any type of sights for any pistol. Hope this helps....FRED
Thanks Fred. I have been to Dawson's web site twice and see no reference for R51 anything. I do not particularly want or need tritium sights.
I emailed Remington about the gun shooting low and asked them if there was another front available and to confirm that the dovetail was a Novak.
7 days later I get a response back telling me I need to send the gun back for repair.
So since
I am not interested in sending the gun back, I will put a lower front site on it myself.
I am very disappointed in their response.
Quote from: gunnut1 on December 08, 2017, 12:23:20 PM
I emailed Remington about the gun shooting low and asked them if there was another front available and to confirm that the dovetail was a Novak.
7 days later I get a response back telling me I need to send the gun back for repair.
So since
I am not interested in sending the gun back, I will put a lower front site on it myself.
I am very disappointed in their response.
Now they're just getting stupid...truth is that they probably don't really know what their own dovetail cut is.
Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on November 30, 2017, 07:50:27 AM
Quote from: gunnut1 on November 29, 2017, 06:57:40 PM
Thanks guys. I am confused though. Military hold? Put the muzzle over the target? What, HUH? I learned and teach 12:00 o'clock hold and 6:00 o'clock hold. I have never heard of a mlitary hold. What exactly is a military hold?
Seems to me it would be better just to change the sights. ???
Gunnut1,
Combat Center hold is to cover the center of the bull with the sight. Hope the article helps.
Blackie
https://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/articles/review-remington-r51.146/
I really like the Military/Combat Center hold at longer ranges.
I was shooting at an NRA Official Pistol Target, 21" x 24" with a 5.5" bulls-eye at 50 and 75 feet. Just cover the bull with the front sight dot, confirm the sight picture with the rear sights, focus back on the front sight, and manipulate the trigger.
I shot my R51 almost as well as my full-sized Browning Hi-Power, which I normally use for target shooting. My Browning has a much better trigger, but because of the Combat Center hold of the R51, I was focusing harder on my form than I was on the target and achieved good results.
My shots were hitting low when I first started shooting my R51. But after Blackie explained this Combat Center thing, and I put some effort into it, I found the R51 is plenty accurate - especially for a compact pistol. It is a shooter.
P.S. At shorter ranges, when I'm trying center punch a 1.5" bulls-eye, I still prefer the standard target shooting sight picture, but I was able to get some good hits with the R51.
My shots were hitting low when I first started shooting my R51. But after Blackie explained this Combat Center thing, and I put some effort into it, I found the R51 is plenty accurate - especially for a compact pistol. It is a shooter.
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Scurmudgeon,
Glad to be of help
Blackie