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Interesting. From a gen 1 maybe? I don't think it will work on a gen 2 because it looks like those sides would hit the breech block. Here is my gen 2 with the breech block in battery. Notice how the feed ramp is not as wide as the breech block. It looks like those sides would hit it.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2yxnf5g.jpg)
Quote from: Texas-Mark on March 03, 2017, 07:12:02 PM
Interesting. From a gen 1 maybe? I don't think it will work on a gen 2 because it looks like those sides would hit the breech block. Here is my gen 2 with the breech block in battery. Notice how the feed ramp is not as wide as the breech block. It looks like those sides would hit it.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2yxnf5g.jpg)
I am with you Tex. I believe they are Gen I and Gen II. The one on the left appears to be Gen II, looks just like mine. Where did he buy that other R51?
Blackie
Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on March 04, 2017, 02:21:03 PMWhere did he buy that other R51?
Blackie
The other barrel is listed on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-REMINGTON-R-51-FACTORY-STEEL-BARREL-9mm-LUGER-P-R51-GENUINE-OEM-/351113481081
I think there is a reason they are only $22 But maybe a little grinding could make it work. I may buy one just for the heck of it.
If the OPer actually bought one, I would like to know if it fits as is.
edit - Now I am pretty sure it is a gen 1 barrel. I found an old youtube video of the gen 1 disassembly and the barrel has those sides on the ramp. The only question is - are there any other changes that would make it not work in a gen 2?
(http://i66.tinypic.com/25oyknp.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ruE_UHyvs
Quote from: Texas-Mark on March 04, 2017, 03:35:40 PM
Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on March 04, 2017, 02:21:03 PMWhere did he buy that other R51?
Blackie
The other barrel is listed on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-REMINGTON-R-51-FACTORY-STEEL-BARREL-9mm-LUGER-P-R51-GENUINE-OEM-/351113481081
I think there is a reason they are only $22 But maybe a little grinding could make it work. I may buy one just for the heck of it.
If the OPer actually bought one, I would like to know if it fits as is.
edit - Now I am pretty sure it is a gen 1 barrel. I found an old youtube video of the gen 1 disassembly and the barrel has those sides on the ramp. The only question is - are there any other changes that would make it not work in a gen 2?
(http://i66.tinypic.com/25oyknp.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ruE_UHyvs
Tex,
That is why I, as a rule, do not buy on Ebay. Scary stuff there. Somebody is parting out a Gen 1 R51 on ebay? No telling what woes those parts have.
Blackie
Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on March 05, 2017, 11:08:20 AM
That is why I, as a rule, do not buy on Ebay. Scary stuff there. Somebody is parting out a Gen 1 R51 on ebay? No telling what woes those parts have.
Blackie
Well, the guy has a boatload of them, so they may have been stock for the gen 1s. In any case I went ahead and ordered one just for the heck of it. $22.45 with free shipping was hard to pass up. Especially if it works as is or just needs a little metal taken off. Worse case, I am out the $22 but have a Christmas tree ornament ;D.
On a side note, I have bought surplus barrels for some of my other guns off of ebay and never had any issues.
Quote from: Texas-Mark on March 05, 2017, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on March 05, 2017, 11:08:20 AM
That is why I, as a rule, do not buy on Ebay. Scary stuff there. Somebody is parting out a Gen 1 R51 on ebay? No telling what woes those parts have.
Blackie
Well, the guy has a boatload of them, so they may have been stock for the gen 1s. In any case I went ahead and ordered one just for the heck of it. $22.45 with free shipping was hard to pass up. Especially if it works as is or just needs a little metal taken off. Worse case, I am out the $22 but have a Christmas tree ornament ;D.
On a side note, I have bought surplus barrels for some of my other guns off of ebay and never had any issues.
Tex,
Let me know how it turns out. Looks like a little grinding will be required on the sides of the ramp, and at the edges of the breech. Wanna borrow a Dremel? :<}
I may get one just to practice my Gunsmith skills on. What I have.
Blackie
I purchased the eBay barrel and just installed it. It fits perfectly in my Gen 2! Also cycled a magazine of dummy rounds through it with no problem.
I am looking forward to trying it at the range.
Quote from: paul7177 on March 06, 2017, 08:14:59 AM
I purchased the eBay barrel and just installed it. It fits perfectly in my Gen 2! Also cycled a magazine of dummy rounds through it with no problem.
I am looking forward to trying it at the range.
Well, maybe I didn't purchase a tree ornament after all.
So, the breech block does not hit those ramp sides? I would think there was a good reason they removed them on the gen 2.
I have NO explanation why they were removed, just that they do not interfere with the breech block. Maybe easier to machine?
Mine should be here Thursday. I'm looking forward to checking it out.
Thanks for the link for the barrel, Mark. I better get over there and buy some. If they work as described you can't go wrong. Maybe the guy selling them has so many and got them at such a good price he's still making money.
Anyone think to ask the seller if they will work in Gen 2?
Quote from: RED HORSE on March 06, 2017, 09:54:47 PM
Anyone think to ask the seller if they will work in Gen 2?
I was going to, but figured the seller probably did not know, or else he would have stated it in the listing. The seller appears to deal mainly in surplus items given his other listings. .
Quote from: Texas-Mark on March 07, 2017, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: RED HORSE on March 06, 2017, 09:54:47 PM
Anyone think to ask the seller if they will work in Gen 2?
I was going to, but figured the seller probably did not know, or else he would have stated it in the listing. The seller appears to deal mainly in surplus items given his other listings. .
Tex,
This sounds like a guy who buy rejects from manufacturers for the scrap metal etc. I bet if the truth is known, he bought them from Remington by the
pound, heard about the R51 problems and figures he can make a few extra bucks on the barrels. Or, they were stolen. I cannot imagine Remington
not cutting those barrels before selling them for scrap. Or, maybe he bought them with the understanding that he would turn them into scrap.
Blackie
Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on March 07, 2017, 01:09:23 PM
I cannot imagine Remington not cutting those barrels before selling them for scrap.
As I mentioned before, I have bought surplus barrels before on e-bay that were brand new and perfectly fine. My guess is when they stopped production on the gen 1 and redesigned the barrel (without the sides), they (or the company that originally made them) sold off the remaining inventory in a bulk lot. The listing even says "MANUFACTURED BY LATVA SOUTH FOR REMINGTON" so Remington may not have a say in it if they never took possession of them.
Got my barrel a day early. It does indeed fit just fine. I put 4 mags through it without issue. it was fixing to rain, so I had to be quick. Here are some pictures. The E-bay gen 1 on the left an my gen 2 on the right. Mine is shinier, because I had polished the feed ramp. IMO this was a great deal for a backup barrel.
Thanks to paul7177 for the heads up on these.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/js0bwg.jpg)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2dhv21g.jpg)
Quote from: Texas-Mark on March 08, 2017, 04:50:58 PM
Got my barrel a day early. It does indeed fit just fine. I put 4 mags through it without issue. it was fixing to rain, so I had to be quick. Here are some pictures. The E-bay gen 1 on the left an my gen 2 on the right. Mine is shinier, because I had polished the feed ramp. IMO this was a great deal for a backup barrel.
Thanks to paul7177 for the heads up on these.
You got to use yours before I could . Happy that it worked out well, I saw no reason why it should not have. You are welcome for the heads up!
Quote from: paul7177 on March 09, 2017, 10:27:13 AM
You got to use yours before I could . Happy that it worked out well, I saw no reason why it should not have. You are welcome for the heads up!
Without having one in my hands, I was not sure what was up with that feed ramp. I know they made a lot of changes to the gen 2 to solve problems of the gen 1, so I figured the feed ramp was something they looked at and changed for some reason.
In any case I went back out today and put another 300 rounds though the e-bay barrel without issue, Not sure if I will leave that one in, or just have it as a spare.
In this thread, I posted about an ammo/barrel issue, and I wonder if this barrel would have made a difference by guiding the round into the chamber more centered.
http://r51pistol.com/r51-general-discussion/ammo-issue-and-contributing-factor/
OK - I just ordered one, too... I'll post results when mine comes.
Also, I asked him how he came into them and he was quite open about it - he bought them in an unclaimed freight auction back in July of 2014, which (obviously) confirms that they are Gen 1 barrels.
Pat
Quote from: plunkster on March 09, 2017, 12:51:42 PM
OK - I just ordered one, too... I'll post results when mine comes.
Also, I asked him how he came into them and he was quite open about it - he bought them in an unclaimed freight auction back in July of 2014, which (obviously) confirms that they are Gen 1 barrels.
Pat
Plunkster,,
Boy, is my face red. After what I said the other day. I guess Remington really screwed up huh?
I guess I will order a barrel also. Why, I do not know. My R51 is shooting great. But, who knows?
Blackie
I'm glad I bought one. Especially since my original barrel came from the factory without lands and grooves. I'm going to use the Ebay barrel as my primary barrel.
Quote from: DanOh on March 10, 2017, 07:25:00 AM
I'm glad I bought one. Especially since my original barrel came from the factory without lands and grooves. I'm going to use the Ebay barrel as my primary barrel.
I don't have an R51 yet, but is it possible that they switched to polygonal rifling for Gen2?
Quote from: SCurmudgeon on March 13, 2017, 11:42:06 AM
Quote from: DanOh on March 10, 2017, 07:25:00 AM
I'm glad I bought one. Especially since my original barrel came from the factory without lands and grooves. I'm going to use the Ebay barrel as my primary barrel.
I don't have an R51 yet, but is it possible that they switched to polygonal rifling for Gen2?
Yes, it's possible, but it's the sort of thing that Remington would want to use in marketing.
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
Quote from: SCurmudgeon on March 13, 2017, 11:42:06 AM
Quote from: DanOh on March 10, 2017, 07:25:00 AM
I'm glad I bought one. Especially since my original barrel came from the factory without lands and grooves. I'm going to use the Ebay barrel as my primary barrel.
I don't have an R51 yet, but is it possible that they switched to polygonal rifling for Gen2?
Scurmidgeon,
I have a CZ82 with a polygonal barrel, they can be seen with a light down the barrel. Looks pretty cool, and I think Glock
has a few guns with polygonal rifling also. I love the way my Makarov shoots and it is accurate.
Blackie
P.S, gonna go order a second R51 barrel right now.
Even after all the screw ups, I can't believe that Rem would accidentally ship barrels without lands and grooves machined in.
It has to be part of the design modifications, right?
P.S. I'd love to get my hands on a CZ82 some day.
Quote from: SCurmudgeon on March 13, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
Even after all the screw ups, I can't believe that Rem would accidentally ship barrels without lands and grooves machined in.
It has to be part of the design modifications, right?
P.S. I'd love to get my hands on a CZ82 some day.
SC,
They are fun guns to shoot. Scant recoil, accurate, and CZUSA still services them. I sent mine to the gunsmith at
CZ about two years ago, they fixed it and sent it back, no charge.
Blackie
Quote from: SCurmudgeon on March 13, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
Even after all the screw ups, I can't believe that Rem would accidentally ship barrels without lands and grooves machined in.
It has to be part of the design modifications, right?
P.S. I'd love to get my hands on a CZ82 some day.
This is no new design modification. I don't know if you read in the other thread, but I slugged the barrel and found the bore diameter to be .347. If it was an octagon barrel it would be .355.
Quote from: DanOh on March 13, 2017, 08:54:12 PM
Quote from: SCurmudgeon on March 13, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
Even after all the screw ups, I can't believe that Rem would accidentally ship barrels without lands and grooves machined in.
It has to be part of the design modifications, right?
P.S. I'd love to get my hands on a CZ82 some day.
This is no new design modification. I don't know if you read in the other thread, but I slugged the barrel and found the bore diameter to be .347. If it was an octagon barrel it would be .355.
DanOh,
Got my barrel today, It won't fit in the slide, the breech will not fit in the inner slide!
Wonder if I could put treble hooks on it and use it for a bass lure?
Blackie..
Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on March 15, 2017, 11:33:41 AM
Got my barrel today, It won't fit in the slide, the breech will not fit in the inner slide!
Wonder if I could put treble hooks on it and use it for a bass lure?
Can you post some pictures? Are you saying it's too wide? Even the regular barrel can be tricky if you don't position it in just the right spot. Have you tried putting it in without the spring (just for fit purposes) so that the spring is not fighting you?
Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on March 15, 2017, 11:33:41 AM
Quote from: DanOh on March 13, 2017, 08:54:12 PM
Quote from: SCurmudgeon on March 13, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
Even after all the screw ups, I can't believe that Rem would accidentally ship barrels without lands and grooves machined in.
It has to be part of the design modifications, right?
P.S. I'd love to get my hands on a CZ82 some day.
This is no new design modification. I don't know if you read in the other thread, but I slugged the barrel and found the bore diameter to be .347. If it was an octagon barrel it would be .355.
DanOh,
Got my barrel today, It won't fit in the slide, the breech will not fit in the inner slide!
Wonder if I could put treble hooks on it and use it for a bass lure?
Blackie..
Doesn't fit?? That is very strange, no one else has had a problem like that. Did you fit check the barrel in the slide without trying to put the slide together and assembling on the frame? I took out my calipers and checked measurements of 1 vs 2 just to make sure there's no difference since I'm going to use the Gen 1 barrel in my gun. Let us know what you find.
Quote from: DanOh on March 15, 2017, 12:45:40 PM
Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on March 15, 2017, 11:33:41 AM
Quote from: DanOh on March 13, 2017, 08:54:12 PM
Quote from: SCurmudgeon on March 13, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
Even after all the screw ups, I can't believe that Rem would accidentally ship barrels without lands and grooves machined in.
It has to be part of the design modifications, right?
P.S. I'd love to get my hands on a CZ82 some day.
This is no new design modification. I don't know if you read in the other thread, but I slugged the barrel and found the bore diameter to be .347. If it was an octagon barrel it would be .355.
DanOh,
Got my barrel today, It won't fit in the slide, the breech will not fit in the inner slide!
Wonder if I could put treble hooks on it and use it for a bass lure?
Blackie..
Doesn't fit?? That is very strange, no one else has had a problem like that. Did you fit check the barrel in the slide without trying to put the slide together and assembling on the frame? I took out my calipers and checked measurements of 1 vs 2 just to make sure there's no difference since I'm going to use the Gen 1 barrel in my gun. Let us know what you find.
DanOh,
I tried the simple way like if the gun was being cleaned. No go. So I took the guts out of the slide, breech block, action spring and action spring bushing.
The barrel would fit, but the breech would not drop in. Just a few k's but enough to stop it from dropping in. I am sending it back.
Blackie
Got my "eBay barrel" a couple of days ago but haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. It fits perfectly and cycles fine, but is a little more "raspy" - I suspect my original was that way when I first started shooting it. After about 300 rounds, the original barrel is butter smooth when I manually cycle it.
On a side note, I'm getting a lot better about assembly/disassembly, but it is still a pain in the !@# - especially compared to my PPK!
Pat
Quote from: plunkster on March 15, 2017, 04:56:54 PM
Got my "eBay barrel" a couple of days ago but haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. It fits perfectly and cycles fine, but is a little more "raspy" - I suspect my original was that way when I first started shooting it. After about 300 rounds, the original barrel is butter smooth when I manually cycle it.
On a side note, I'm getting a lot better about assembly/disassembly, but it is still a pain in the !@# - especially compared to my PPK!
Pat
Plunkster,
Do you have one of the clamps we old guys have been using to grab the barrel? They help 100%.
Here is the URL for the clamp.
https://www.amazon.com/Irwin-58100-Quick-Grip-Spring-Clamp/dp/B00OXOA0EA/ref=pd_day0_469_6?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00OXOA0EA&pd_rd_r=X17W18SBHCF6KHCTZS8T&pd_rd_w=x2iUA&pd_rd_wg=bydiq&psc=1&refRID=X17W18SBHCF6KHCTZS8T
Here is the URL describing the use of the clamp. Ignore the guy talking he is nomenclature impaired. But it has helped a lot of us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5bycStOxFo
Blackie.
Blackie
Yup - best tip ever was that clamp idea, but it's STILL a PITA!!!
Pat
Quote from: plunkster on March 15, 2017, 06:33:06 PM
Yup - best tip ever was that clamp idea, but it's STILL a PITA!!!
Pat
Pat,
Ditto!
Blackie