Remington R-51 Pistol Forum

I think it is important to know how many of us have had an issue of any kind there are over 90 registered members on forum. I believe it would be helpful to know the percentage of pistols with problems and our results. maybe I will forward this post to Remington after the poll completes.

I voted for no problems, but would have selected the second option if you had not included "jams once in a while but now broken in and perfect ".  I have has some minor issues, but they did not include any jams. As mentioned in the other thread, I had a hard time racking the slide with a full mag at first, but that has gone away now that the mag springs are broken in. The disassembly is a bit of a pain, but does not affect the function.

you can change your vote. for some reason those who have had problems have chosen to not vote.

Quote from: argie1891 on December 23, 2016, 10:41:25 PM
you can change your vote. for some reason those who have had problems have chosen to not vote.

Argie,
     We need to keep up the list of problems, otherwise, how can we convince Remington to listen to us?
Blackie

Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on December 24, 2016, 09:01:13 AM
Argie,
     We need to keep up the list of problems, otherwise, how can we convince Remington to listen to us?
Blackie

While it might be nice to see what people here say, I'm sure Remington knows what issues are out there. I have already read reviews in major gun magazines that address the difficult disassembly, so griping about that is not going to change the core design. The hard racking with a full mag (also addressed in the articles) will  go away after it is broken in. At least it did for me. For all other issues that are actual malfunctions, people should be sending the gun back for repair. And that is the best way to get Remington to "listen".

ok I am pretty much done I don't really give a hoot what Remington thinks I was looking for my own curiosity how many of the 98 members have had problems. it seems to me that there are a lot of people who don't want to admit they bought a handgun with problems... I will take the easy way out if you don't like my posts all you need to do is not read them. for that matter I will just opt out. I really thought if we ( I mean the 98 members on this forum) knew the problems it would be interesting. looks like you are not interested so I have no problem with that. from what I have read there are 177 topics and 713 posts and the vast majority of them are about problems. how many of those 98 are truly 100% pleased with the Remington model 51??  I don't think I have really said anything that offensive but if I have just ban me from the forum. when I post someone seems to always make an excuse for the product. Or tell me I seem to expect too much I want mine to work and work 100% of the time I waited 2 years or so for this pistol, and got a bit disappointed. it is just that I really expected more than I got. it should be at least as good as a Jennings was.

Quote from: argie1891 on December 24, 2016, 04:11:50 PM
ok I am pretty much done I don't really give a hoot what Remington thinks I was looking for my own curiosity how many of the 98 members have had problems. it seems to me that there are a lot of people who don't want to admit they bought a handgun with problems....

You only put the poll up yesterday. It's Christmas and most members are probably visiting family etc. So how about giving it some time for people to respond?

Keep in mind that people often join forums like this when they have a problem, and those that don't have problems usually don't. So I would not be surprised if the number of  members with problems was high. But that may not necessarily reflect the overall ownership base. The only reason I joined was that I saw some people talking about the hard takedown and wanted to offer a suggestion that worked for me.

For some reason you seem to really dislike the gun and/or want everyone to feel the same way. That is understandable when someone has a bad experience. However, you should not think that people don't want to admit there are problems if they are not experiencing them.

I have already stated that I find the takedown and reassembly to be frustrating. But other than that, mine has been running great. It goes bang every time and I find it extremely accurate and easy to shoot. I own many guns and this has become one of my favorites so far.  Now if it starts to have issues, then I may change my opinion. I tend to not keep guns that are unreliable or that I dislike for other reasons. I would just sell it and move on if it came to it. So, if you dislike the gun that much, why not just sell it and get something else?

In any case, don't take any of my comments personally. They are just my opinion and are no more valid than anyone else's.  :)

i don't expect anyone to say they have problems if they don't.. but I have read enough posts about those who have sent theirs back to know there is for sure and certain more than a few who have had problems. I actually like the looks and feel I just don't like the way it functions. there is no way I could currently carry it for protection, and at this point could not and would not advise others to. now all I really want is a fix for the problems.
my pistol currently jams less than when new possibly because I am shooting a lighter bullet but it still fails to feed half a dozen times a box of ammo or more. 5 times out of 50 is getting close to 10% where I went to school. the Remington looks great feels great functions not so great. it shoots low but to me that is not a problem low but not low enough to cause a problem and I am pretty sure I could find a load that brings it up. it just seems that every time I post someone takes me to task. I am actually just disappointed a wait of over 2 years and then it took a month after they were on the market again for me to find one. as I said earlier I much would rather have the problems fixed than selling putting in the back of the safe in a dark corner. I have been shooting for almost  60 years and own over 30 handguns and never had a problem like this. maybe I just expect to much. I understand the first issues problems and Remington did the right thing in replacing them, but I figured the second issue would be worth the wait. maybe before it is over it will be. maybe someone out there has found a magic bullet that functions all the time if it is out there I would like to know. anyway I don't hate the gun I hate that it doesn't function properly.

Quote from: argie1891 on December 25, 2016, 03:21:29 AM
i don't expect anyone to say they have problems if they don't..

Well, it seemed that was sort of what you implied when you said this:

Quote from: argie1891
it seems to me that there are a lot of people who don't want to admit they bought a handgun with problems...

Quote from: argie1891 link=topic=212.msg758#msg758
there is no way I could currently carry it for protection, and at this point could not and would not advise others to.

Again, I'm sorry that you are having problems. But there are many if not the majority (of all owners) that are not. I have put nearly 1K rounds though mine without issue and would have no reservations about carrying it for SD. But I won't advise others what to do or not to do. They have to make their own decision based on their own experience.

Quote from: argie1891 on December 25, 2016, 03:21:29 AM
it just seems that every time I post someone takes ]me to task.

No, it's just that you seem to be trying to convince everyone that the gun is a POS just because you are having issues. Or you seem to be trying to justify your position by posting a poll to prove your point. As I said earlier, I would not be surprised at all if the poll here indicated a high percentage of problems. I just don't believe that it would be an accurate reflection of all owners. An analogy would be to go to the service department of a car dealership to try and get accurate statistics of those who have had a problem with a particular vehicle.

Quote from: argie1891 on December 25, 2016, 03:21:29 AM
anyway I don't hate the gun I hate that it doesn't function properly.

I assume that you voted in your own poll. But there are no votes for having sent the gun, or intending to send the gun in for repair. So if you are having so many problems, why have you not sent it in? Just seems that you would have a better argument if you had sent it in and it still did not work. Or better yet, if they fixed it you would have a gun that functions as well as you would like it to.  :)

Quote from: Texas-Mark on December 25, 2016, 08:52:43 AM

Quote from: argie1891 on December 25, 2016, 03:21:29 AM
i don't expect anyone to say they have problems if they don't..

Well, it seemed that was sort of what you implied when you said this:

Quote from: argie1891
it seems to me that there are a lot of people who don't want to admit they bought a handgun with problems...

Quote from: argie1891 link=topic=212.msg758#msg758
there is no way I could currently carry it for protection, and at this point could not and would not advise others to.

Again, I'm sorry that you are having problems. But there are many if not the majority (of all owners) that are not. I have put nearly 1K rounds though mine without issue and would have no reservations about carrying it for SD. But I won't advise others what to do or not to do. They have to make their own decision based on their own experience.

Quote from: argie1891 on December 25, 2016, 03:21:29 AM
it just seems that every time I post someone takes ]me to task.

No, it's just that you seem to be trying to convince everyone that the gun is a POS just because you are having issues. Or you seem to be trying to justify your position by posting a poll to prove your point. As I said earlier, I would not be surprised at all if the poll here indicated a high percentage of problems. I just don't believe that it would be an accurate reflection of all owners. An analogy would be to go to the service department of a car dealership to try and get accurate statistics of those who have had a problem with a particular vehicle.

Quote from: argie1891 on December 25, 2016, 03:21:29 AM
anyway I don't hate the gun I hate that it doesn't function properly.

I assume that you voted in your own poll. But there are no votes for having sent the gun, or intending to send the gun in for repair. So if you are having so many problems, why have you not sent it in? Just seems that you would have a better argument if you had sent it in and it still did not work. Or better yet, if they fixed it you would have a gun that functions as well as you would like it to.  :)

Argie1891 and Texas-Mark, enough with the measuring contest, It's Christmas!  Nuff said!
Blackie

Sorry, it was not my intent to be argumentative. Just trying to keep things in perspective. I do hope argie gets his R51 running the way he expects it to.

you are full of shit.. I was not trying to convince anyone of anything it when several people have sent their pistols in for repair and still say it is a good gun something is wrong; tell you what I will no longer be a party to this forum. not because I am afraid of what you or anyone else says because you want to read into my post what ever you want to . I don't know why there are no vote from those who sent their pistols in for repair but it is not my fault they haven't posted on the poll. we both know several members of this forum have sent theirs in. If you must ask I voted for not trusting the pistol at the present time to carry for self defense or protection. and I am not the only one who posted that.
now for your information color me gone I don't need  a bunch of excuse makers I am going to lock the poll and I am no longer on this forum I hope that Remington comes up with a fix for the pistol because as I said it looks great feels pretty good. it just dosent work well. again you are full of shit and that said I bet the moderator will ban me. that will be the first time it has ever happened to me. and this is the first time I ran across a group who make excuses for a gun that has serious problems.

Quote from: iquit on December 26, 2016, 02:43:53 AM
.. and this is the first time I ran across a group who make excuses for a gun that has serious problems.

Wow. I could tell that you were upset that you were having problems with your gun, but IMO you are over reacting. Who has been making excuses? Certainly not me. If my gun is working fine, how is that making excuses? I have already stated several times that the disassembly is less than ideal and a PITA, but other than that it has been running fine. I even posted a video to show that the hard racking with a full mag (that I even had) will go away on it's own after some break in. I never denied that some people are having problems. I simply disagree that it is as widespread as you imply.

In any case, I hope you either get your gun fixed, or just get something else that better meets your expectations.

Quote from: iquit on December 26, 2016, 02:43:53 AM
you are full of shit.. I was not trying to convince anyone of anything it when several people have sent their pistols in for repair and still say it is a good gun something is wrong; tell you what I will no longer be a party to this forum. not because I am afraid of what you or anyone else says because you want to read into my post what ever you want to . I don't know why there are no vote from those who sent their pistols in for repair but it is not my fault they haven't posted on the poll. we both know several members of this forum have sent theirs in. If you must ask I voted for not trusting the pistol at the present time to carry for self defense or protection. and I am not the only one who posted that.
now for your information color me gone I don't need  a bunch of excuse makers I am going to lock the poll and I am no longer on this forum I hope that Remington comes up with a fix for the pistol because as I said it looks great feels pretty good. it just dosent work well. again you are full of shit and that said I bet the moderator will ban me. that will be the first time it has ever happened to me. and this is the first time I ran across a group who make excuses for a gun that has serious problems.

iquit, all opinions are valid here, happy, unhappy with the R51 etc.

Please remember this is a forum and some people are better at expressing their feeling then others, me for instance. I have come across pretty strong and got into arguments with people on other forums, mostly just because it is a forum and people tend to get wound up and upset.

Strong feeling are perfectly acceptable, one way or another concerning the R51.

Just please use words like strongly disagree and not "full of shit".

Forum post are only one small tidbit of some ones thoughts at that moment, they are not the 10 commandments carved into stone and spoken by GOD as the last word on the subject.... So you guys try and be understanding of one another and a tiny bit more respectful then saying stuff like "your full of shit".

I want people to feel free to be full of shit and still be able to participate here, because we are all very different and we express ourselves well, or, at times not so well so try and be understanding and not abrasive even if you feel the other guy has gone off and begun wading into the BS pond a bit. It happens... discussion go side ways into areas we don't exactly expect or agree with, don't keep re-reading some one's post and keep getting more irritated.

It is a forum, move it along and keep in mind they person who posted might have perfectly represented his feelings, or might have flubbed it up and would maybe re-word it 5 minutes later. That is where the statement wading into the BS pond a bit comes in. We all might wade in at times, so lets allow each other a bit of lee way and not take it as an insult if some one says something you might consider BS.

Watch a bit of star trek, even Spock will say things that could be considered BS, though he would never admit it. Dr Mccoy will call him on it though, but they don't end up pointing phasers at each other. How's that for BS.....hahah

Lighten it up and carry on gentlemen.

Robert

Dont know what else has happened here as its been 3 months or so without a post.

Some of us are just more easily frustrated than others.  I tend to get frustrated pretty quick myself.

But I have alwys had a good mechanical apptitude as well.  So, I looked upon this gun as a challange.
Took it and ran with it.
Pretty satisfing, if I must say so myself.

It would have taken a lot more serious things than what I found with two guns, to ever make me even consider sending either of them back for repair.

Both of mine are working like Swiss warches now.

However, one must realize that ammo can and is a big factor.  The gun cant be any better than what one feeds it.  Unlike some other folks on other guns, I dont believe that every gun should run every brand/type ammo out there!

I find way too much divation in any ONE BRAND of ammo, that one could reasonably expect ANY gun to run them ALL perfectly!

Quote from: Chokejug on December 24, 2017, 07:59:46 PM

However, one must realize that ammo can and is a big factor.  The gun cant be any better than what one feeds it.  Unlike some other folks on other guns, I dont believe that every gun should run every brand/type ammo out there!

I find way too much divation in any ONE BRAND of ammo, that one could reasonably expect ANY gun to run them ALL perfectly!

I have a Beretta 92FS, , a CZ75, a CZ83 and a Sig Blackwater.  All have worked flawlessly on whatever ammo (including Russian steel) I've used without the first glitch - not one! - in a lot of years.  It is a real disappointment that a company like Remington has put out such a glitchy pistol as the R51.  A major manufacturer's product should not require the amount of kludging this pistol requires.

Even though I've modified the mags and run several hundred rounds through it, the R51 is still not reliable enough for me to use for CC.

Just my personal experience.  Happy Christmas!

I have used all types of ammo (steel and brass, FMJ and JHP), American made ammo, and modified the magazines, and my R51 runs flawlessly. In fact, after 300 rounds, not a hitch. I have shot my reloads in it, and it eats those too. Listen up. I have had a GLOCK choke on itself before. You heard me right, I said GLOCK!  :o  After looking at it, it turned out to be a faulty mag release. It wasn't allowing the mag to fully lock itself in, and after each shot, it would disengage the mag, making it (wait for it!)  a single shot Glock! But wait! Glock is perfect! This can't happen! Oh yes it did! Had I had posted that on youtube and called Glock out for making crap guns, everyone would be saying "no, it isn't the gun, it has to be something else". They would have been right, and I would have been wrong. Case in point with the R51. It's a good gun, but the magazines are crap. They are what is causing the trouble. NOT THE GUN! This is the nature of the automatic pistol. They are only as good as their magazine. It's like a house. If the foundation is bad, it don't matter how good you build the structure. You are in for some bad trouble when that foundation goes!  And back in J. M. Browning's day, automatics were VERY finicky about what ammo they got fed. Yes, we have had major improvements in manufacturing and design, but it doesn't change the fact, that automatics WILL ALWAYS BE PICKY ABOUT WHAT AMMO THEY LIKE. Precisely why I love my revolver's so much. They will literally eat, ANYTHING. And I have had my share of good autos in my time, mostly 1911's XD's, a Glock on loan, and now the R51.

I have had good results with mine.  After putting about 300 rounds through it, I have had just a couple of problems.

#1 is that is I shoot Tulammo in it, the bullets tumble, going through the target sideways.

#2 is that it will not reliably extract WW white box ammo, leaving the empty case still chambered.

I cannot see what is the problem in either issue.  The groove diameter checks out at .355" on the nose.  And I can find no dimensional difference in the extraction groove on the WW brass.  The solution is simple; no tulammo or WW white box ammo will be used in this gun.

BTW, both of these ammo choices function perfectly in my other 2 9MM semi auto guns. >:(

Quote from: DUTCH Van Atlanta on December 25, 2017, 06:35:36 AM

Quote from: Chokejug on December 24, 2017, 07:59:46 PM

However, one must realize that ammo can and is a big factor.  The gun cant be any better than what one feeds it.  Unlike some other folks on other guns, I dont believe that every gun should run every brand/type ammo out there!

I find way too much divation in any ONE BRAND of ammo, that one could reasonably expect ANY gun to run them ALL perfectly!

I have a Beretta 92FS, , a CZ75, a CZ83 and a Sig Blackwater.  All have worked flawlessly on whatever ammo (including Russian steel) I've used without the first glitch - not one! - in a lot of years.  It is a real disappointment that a company like Remington has put out such a glitchy pistol as the R51.  A major manufacturer's product should not require the amount of kludging this pistol requires.

Even though I've modified the mags and run several hundred rounds through it, the R51 is still not reliable enough for me to use for CC.

Just my personal experience.  Happy Christmas!

I see you're in Atlanta.  Want to trade a walther Ccp for that r51?

And I have a Boberg X9L that the manufacturer even recomends certain ammo not be used.
(I believe its present maker, Bond Arms, still issue the same warning)

Anyway, I have used just about every thing else that I could get my hands on, and it has never had a problem with any of them.

That said, I stayed completely away from any of the known trouble making ammo.

Damn right, I would carry and trust it completely.
With the right ammo of course!

Just as I would, (AND AM), my present R51s!
But I would and will carefully pick the ammo that I use.
Although they will shoot steel cased ammo "good", its not going to happen by me.

But that doesnt preclude the guns use for SD by any means, with ammo that has proven itself.  (Totally unlike some writers have a habit of doing)

Quote from: mr220v on December 25, 2017, 03:27:12 PM
I see you're in Atlanta.  Want to trade a walther Ccp for that r51?

Thanks, but no thanks.  I have enough pistols.  If I do decide to dump the R51, it will be sold not traded.  Thanks again for the offer.

Get Remington to send you some new mags.  I bought a second r51 with one crappy mag.  Put it in my last gun, which has been pretty flawless, and suddenly it's nosediving, doublefeeding, etc......

I think the guns themselves are fine.  The mags are most of the problem.

Quote from: mr220v on December 25, 2017, 06:59:09 PM
Get Remington to send you some new mags.  I bought a second r51 with one crappy mag.  Put it in my last gun, which has been pretty flawless, and suddenly it's nosediving, doublefeeding, etc......

I think the guns themselves are fine.  The mags are most of the problem.

They did send me two a couple of weeks ago.  Since they appeared to be the same as what came with the gun, I just threw them in my gun bag where they continue to lay.  I haven't had the time to go to the range since, but I don't have a lot of hope.  Remington, for me with this pistol, has been a big let down.

Quote from: R51Fan2017 on December 25, 2017, 10:26:24 AMListen up. I have had a GLOCK choke on itself before. You heard me right, I said GLOCK!  :o  After looking at it, it turned out to be a faulty mag release. It wasn't allowing the mag to fully lock itself in, and after each shot, it would disengage the mag, making it (wait for it!)  a single shot Glock! But wait! Glock is perfect! This can't happen! Oh yes it did! Had I had posted that on youtube and called Glock out for making crap guns, everyone would be saying "no, it isn't the gun, it has to be something else". They are only as good as their magazine.

Exactly!!!

When I was researching 380s I remember reading about G-42 having issue after issue and, when it was all said and done, the G-42 underwent something like five magazine updates to correct all those issues. I know there were also many other Glock models that did the same thing and had mag fixes also. So I would throw that in the face of any Glock fan who says they won't ever buy an R51 because of reliability issues. I'd also ask how many chances are considered okay and still warrant buying a gun because, if the R51 is out after only one change (so far) then all the Glocks owners badmouthing the R51are just a bunch of damn hypocrites.

Quote from: funflyer on December 26, 2017, 02:50:18 PM

I'd also ask how many chances are considered okay and still warrant buying a gun because, if the R51 is out after only one change (so far) then all the Glocks owners badmouthing the R51are just a bunch of damn hypocrites.

That's why it pays not to be a gun snob. How many times have I heard, "My Glock won't ever fail me." Epic. Guess, what? A gun is a mechanical being. ANYTHING MECHANICAL WILL FAIL!!!! Did you hear me? WILL FAIL!!! It is only a matter of time, but it WILL FAIL!  Glocks are mechanical, and one day, they will take a big dump. Guaranteed.

Quote from: iquit on December 23, 2016, 04:11:15 PM
I think it is important to know how many of us have had an issue of any kind there are over 90 registered members on forum. I believe it would be helpful to know the percentage of pistols with problems and our results. maybe I will forward this post to Remington after the poll completes.

Iquit,
     The only problems I have had is with the magazines.   I have had to modify them to make them reliable.
If you are going to pass this info to Big Green,  call them on the phone and request to speak to a gunsmith.
Anybody else is REMF.
Blackie