Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on March 11, 2017, 03:40:05 PM

Quote from: DanOh on March 11, 2017, 01:19:15 PM
I'm already having second thoughts about sending the gun to them for repair. I have one of the Ebay barrels and ordered another today.  With what I've read about their service department and the time it takes for repair work, I think it would be ridiculous to go through all that with them.  I may just send the smooth bore barrel to the ATF and give them the story and let them handle it from there.  I've got some real debating to do with myself.  I really can't see any benefit at all of sending it to them and I already shot my pistol with the new barrel and it's fine.  I think I'm just going to tell them I'll trade the smooth bore barrel to them for a couple of magazines and call it good.  I'm sure they rather have the barrel than the ATF, lol.

DanOh,
     Be careful,  Rem has some big lawyers.  Destroy the bad barrel,  use the Ebay barrel, and move along.  Mention the  BATF to the folks at Remington and all kinds of crap
will start hitting the fan.  With the new barrel, you are ahead of the game.  Stay that way.   Take the bad barrel to a body shop, and have them cut it up for scrap.
Just my opinion.
Blackie



   

Oh that was said in jest, I'm not like that and don't need all the drama for so little.  Besides, I paid for it and I own it so there is little they can really say or do about it.  But the more I think about it I am not liking a long turnaround or sending my gun to Bubba's Gun Palace in Butlick, lol.  I did mention to them that they had put me in a vulnerable position having that barrel in my gun in violation of BATF laws.  I'm waiting on the next communication from them and see what the plan is.

DanOh

I'm already having second thoughts about sending the gun to them for repair. I have one of the Ebay barrels and ordered another today.  With what I've read about their service department and the time it takes for repair work, I think it would be ridiculous to go through all that with them.  I may just send the smooth bore barrel to the ATF and give them the story and let them handle it from there.  I've got some real debating to do with myself.  I really can't see any benefit at all of sending it to them and I already shot my pistol with the new barrel and it's fine.  I think I'm just going to tell them I'll trade the smooth bore barrel to them for a couple of magazines and call it good.  I'm sure they rather have the barrel than the ATF, lol.

I haven't had any problems with the grip safety or the web of my hand hurting, my problem is the trigger.  My trigger finger is slightly deformed where I cut the tendon in two between the fingertip and the second joint down.  Just a slight crook, the fingertip bends downward about 30* from flat.  I use the joint between the two sections of my finger to pull the trigger and after 50 or 60 rounds it gets irritated.  When I try to use the second section of the finger, it messes up my grip and pulls my palm away from the grip safety.  I was going to buy another trigger and try a modification but they are sold out everywhere I look.  One of these days....

Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on March 10, 2017, 12:46:58 PM

Quote from: DanOh on March 10, 2017, 07:15:02 AM
I have owned my R51 for close to a year. I have really enjoyed shooting it and have been impressed with many things about it.  I have defended the R51 against those who poo-poo not only the gun but Remington and their "new" reputation that has evolved over the past several years about the quality of their firearms and customer service.  Now I'm beginning to be concerned myself about it all. 
I purchased one of the new Gen 1 barrels from Ebay and when I received it I noticed one thing right off, shocking to say the least.  You see, my pistol came from the factory without grooves in the barrel  .  I noticed this the first time I took the gun apart before shooting it and thought, "what is this?".  No grooves?? I wonder what that is all about. I took it to the range and put a few hundred rounds through it and no problems, shot well and I was putting rounds into a four inch square bullseye at 50' so that is as well as I can shoot my other guns.  I had never had the opportunity to examine any other R51s so I had no reason to think this was not the way it was designed other than the fact about what I know about lands and grooves and bullet spin, but the shooting results did not reflect what the lack of grooves should have done to accuracy.  I will be calling Remington today and see what their reaction and plans are to make this right.  Below in the picture, the barrel that came with my gun is on the left and the Ebay barrel is on the right.  Remington, I'm not too happy right now. Especially the fact that something like this can leave the factory.  Who is looking at these guns before they leave?  Do you even have quality control inspectors?  How did a barrel with no grooves leave the fab shop?  How did that barrel get put into a gun, surely there must have been a bin of barrels to pick from in assembling the gun, why did the person assembling the gun not look at the barrel before putting it in my gun?  Even though I like the R51, this may well be my last Remington.  This makes me glad that something more critical that could have resulted in injury did not happen, but now I'm concerned it could if no one is checking better than this.


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DanOh,
     I just happened to think (no jokes please)  If that barrel was not processed for rifling, it may be under bored.  Could cause over pressre
on the barrel when the bullet is forced through.  Might be a good idea not to use it until Rem gives you a new barrel.
Blackie


I slugged the barrel and the results are close to what I thought.  The entire pistol is going back to Remington.  I asked if they could just send me a barrel and I was told they had to fit it and wanted to check out the complete gun.  However, on page 32 of the Owner's Manual they state if you need "additional barrels" call them.  WTF??  Also, I ran a program where I substituted the actual cross sectional area with the real bore size and where chamber pressure was around 30k psi with a load, it was up to around 33k psi with the barrel.

Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on March 06, 2017, 12:25:59 PM
     Has anybody else noticed how dirty the R51 shoots.  No matter what ammo I
put through mine,  When I drop the slide, the breech block is black!  No big deal,
but I just think it seems strange.  Maybe getting a lot of blowback?  Not having ever
shot an R51 or an M51 before, I have no clue. 
Blackie
.

I shoot mainly reloads and I have some that are very clean shooting except in the R51.  My experience in reloading has been that when you get higher in pressure and powder charge, the soot cleans up with most powders, especially W231, but not with this gun.  Every thing I shoot in it leaves the inside of the slide and barrel looking like a coal fire has been burning in there, lol.

I think the Gen 1 barrel is a better barrel than the new version.  I like the "wings" on the ramp and Remington must have too to put them on at first. Look in your manual for the R51 and on the last two pages where it tells you how to get service and parts, there is a phone number for those who are wanting "barrels", now ain't that odd?  I'm going to use the Gen 1 barrel as my primary no matter what Remington ships back with the gun after repairs are made to my ungroovy barrel.

Called Remington today and spoke with "Jeff".  Very kind and professional and was as stumped as any of us about how this could have gotten out of the plant this way.  Of course I was given a RMA and shipping packaging is on the way.  I expressed my disappointment and concern about having a gun with such an obvious defect made it's way by at least four people that should have caught this.  Doesn't  anyone have their eyes on the job they're doing?  I think another reason Remington is wanting this back asap is the fact that a smooth bore pistol is a NFA item and illegal to possess, according to those who know more about that part of the law than I.  As mentioned in the previous post by 1911, I would not be surprised if the actual "bore" of this barrel is around .340-.346 looking at the height of the lands in the picture.  So, I am waiting for the packaging to arrive and then call Rem so they can call for the UPS pickup.  More on this as it develops.  I am not at all pleased that this has occurred and I told Jeff that a lot of people feel that Remington's reputation is poo-poo and as much as I have defended their name to critics who have commented about Remington products and service, I'm taking steps to their side of the field.  Not there yet but it wouldn't take much for me to join the chorus.   It's now on Remington to take the bull by the horns and make this right.

Quote from: Texas-Mark on January 13, 2017, 04:59:58 PM
In that other thread, I showed the wood block I use to make disassembly and assembly easier. So far it has been working fine for me. But if I had the tools and patience, I would make something shaped like this made out of polymer. It would fit into the chamber and the top would rest on the slide like my wood block (needs to let the breech block move freely). Having it in the chamber would result in less chance of it slipping out like the wood block can do if you are not careful. Once the slide is on, you just pull the slide back and dump it out. It would also be the right length to have the take down lever lined up.

Sorry for the poor drawing as I never claimed to be an artist. 

That looks like a loaded chamber indicator.  Wouldn't it be nice to find one that could be modified to fit as you described?  I'm going to start looking.

I'm glad I bought one.  Especially since my original barrel came from the factory without lands and grooves.  I'm going to use the Ebay barrel as my primary barrel.

I have owned my R51 for close to a year. I have really enjoyed shooting it and have been impressed with many things about it.  I have defended the R51 against those who poo-poo not only the gun but Remington and their "new" reputation that has evolved over the past several years about the quality of their firearms and customer service.  Now I'm beginning to be concerned myself about it all. 
I purchased one of the new Gen 1 barrels from Ebay and when I received it I noticed one thing right off, shocking to say the least.  You see, my pistol came from the factory without grooves in the barrel  .  I noticed this the first time I took the gun apart before shooting it and thought, "what is this?".  No grooves?? I wonder what that is all about. I took it to the range and put a few hundred rounds through it and no problems, shot well and I was putting rounds into a four inch square bullseye at 50' so that is as well as I can shoot my other guns.  I had never had the opportunity to examine any other R51s so I had no reason to think this was not the way it was designed other than the fact about what I know about lands and grooves and bullet spin, but the shooting results did not reflect what the lack of grooves should have done to accuracy.  I will be calling Remington today and see what their reaction and plans are to make this right.  Below in the picture, the barrel that came with my gun is on the left and the Ebay barrel is on the right.  Remington, I'm not too happy right now. Especially the fact that something like this can leave the factory.  Who is looking at these guns before they leave?  Do you even have quality control inspectors?  How did a barrel with no grooves leave the fab shop?  How did that barrel get put into a gun, surely there must have been a bin of barrels to pick from in assembling the gun, why did the person assembling the gun not look at the barrel before putting it in my gun?  Even though I like the R51, this may well be my last Remington.  This makes me glad that something more critical that could have resulted in injury did not happen, but now I'm concerned it could if no one is checking better than this.


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Thanks for the link for the barrel, Mark.  I better get over there and buy some.  If they work as described you can't go wrong.  Maybe the guy selling them has so many and got them at such a good price he's still making money.

Quote from: ZeroPoint on September 18, 2016, 08:03:21 PM

Quote from: DanOh on September 17, 2016, 09:39:09 AM
It is mentioned that some R51s are stamped with "Charlotte", aren't they all?  Mine too is stamped with the same, what other location is stamped on the new R51s?  Thanks, and there is no way mine will chamber a round with one finger either.

I was under the impression these GEN 2 guns are all made in Huntsville,Al, but mine is a SN 0014___ and says Charlotte,NC on it. And my slide can be pulled back some with one finger but not more than halfway.

Thanks for the info, I did not know that.  Does anyone have a R51 with the Huntsville stamp?

Good to hear Remington's response.  As you said they want to look at these problems just in case and being proactive about customer concerns.  My gut tells me that you will have your gun back sooner than most would think.  Also good to know that Remington doesn't have a problem with taking the block apart as I would figure now and then that most would want to do that for a good cleaning every 1000 rounds or so.  Looking forward to hearing the results from the Dr. visit.  I'd miss mine too already, it goes with me to the range every time I go even if I take another pistol or two.  I just love shooting it.  Thanks for the post.

Great call, Richard.  It's lonely at the top but someone has to be "The Man".

I have put over a thousand rounds through my R51 in four range trips and it has performed without any hitches except for the first couple of magazines I fired on the first visit.  Two FTEj and the rest have all went bang.  I find the grip to my liking and I really enjoy shooting it one handed.  Of all my pistols, I shoot this one one handed better than the rest.  The reliability is solid enough that I bought a holster and will add the R to my carry rotation.  I've been shooting 115Gr Hornady XTPs and Montana Gold 115Gr HPs and the gun is very accurate with these loads.  I reload them and the pressure is near 32k, which is about average or near the upper limit.  I'm going to load some more closer to the 35k pressure limit since the R is rated +P to see how that goes.  I usually shoot 124Gr bullets in my carry guns and want to load up a bunch at the upper end just for this gun.