Well....the same problem that I had on my Huntsville pistol has raised it ugly head on my Charlotte pistol yesterday. I have no more than 500 rounds on it and whaaa...laaaa. The mag release pin was coming out of the right side. I love this pistol but what next????
I wonder if an over sized pin would fix this. I still have yet to have that problem on my Huntsville pistol. Funflyer already shot down my roll pin idea. For some reason it won't work. I would try an oversize pin this time. I don't think it is to the point of sending it back to Remington.
My first R51 is off to Remington repair now. I will wait until it returns to see what they did to fix it before I do anything. I am not sure a larger pin would be wise at this point as it may void the warranty for modifying the frame. Further it needs to fit within the mag release spring and fixture and I am not sure if it would. Time will tell.
Rocky
Quote from: Rocky150 on January 15, 2018, 03:18:40 PM
My first R51 is off to Remington repair now. I will wait until it returns to see what they did to fix it before I do anything. I am not sure a larger pin would be wise at this point as it may void the warranty for modifying the frame. Further it needs to fit within the mag release spring and fixture and I am not sure if it would. Time will tell.
Rocky
I wish you the best Rocky!
Wow, that is bad luck Rock. At this point I'd just keep re-seating it whenever it walks and wait for Remington to fix both of them. Let's hope they don't just replace the pin with the same part number and call it good or chances are better than not it will keep happening. An oversized pin would be a few thousands larger just on the splined end if they actually make one. If they don't make one now they better start thinking about it.
Could the problem be the aluminum frame? Big Green needs to get on the stick.
Blackie
Quote from: 1911SHOOTER on January 15, 2018, 09:14:21 PM
Could the problem be the aluminum frame? Big Green needs to get on the stick.
Blackie
That is what I am beginning to wonder about. Are they passing off cheap aluminum on us, and we don't know it..........yet? Come on Remington! Get yall's head in the game!
Could it be faulty pins?
Has anyone been able to measure and compare pins that are falling out with pins that stay in?
Quote from: SCurmudgeon on January 16, 2018, 09:17:03 AM
Could it be faulty pins?
Has anyone been able to measure and compare pins that are falling out with pins that stay in?
I don't know. Frankly, I haven't bothered to take mine out since problems started arising with them. I'm kind of skiddish out doing that to investigate mine, because it isn't doing it yet. I don't want it to start.
My Charlotte pistol mag release pin is tighter than Scrooges wallet. I was going to
take a look at it, and it won't come out! Leaving well enough alone.
Blackie
OK....my Huntsville pistol came back today and we went straight to the range. She still shoots exactly where I point her...what a pistol. I had 1 FTF in about 100 rounds. The mag release pin was replaced however I cannot tell if they placed a larger pin there or did something else. They test fired a full mag and the pistol and deemed my Mag #1 well....but we know there are still problems. My Shield and SAR B6P did not hiccup once. Just my Huntsville. :- :-\
Now Charlotte goes back for the same fix. >:(
Regards to all.
RRR
Quote from: Rocky150 on February 01, 2018, 06:25:38 PM
OK....my Huntsville pistol came back today and we went straight to the range. She still shoots exactly where I point her...what a pistol. I had 1 FTF in about 100 rounds. The mag release pin was replaced however I cannot tell if they placed a larger pin there or did something else. They test fired a full mag and the pistol and deemed my Mag #1 well....but we know there are still problems. My Shield and SAR B6P did not hiccup once. Just my Huntsville. :- :-\
Now Charlotte goes back for the same fix. >:(
Regards to all.
RRR
Sounds like problem is solved. Before you send Charlotte off, check her pin versus the one in the Huntsville pistol and maybe you can tell it it is an oversized pin or not.
Quote from: Rocky150 on February 01, 2018, 06:25:38 PM
My Shield and SAR B6P did not hiccup once. Just my Huntsville. :- :-\
Regards to all.
RRR,
Rock, that goes without saying ;) I have never once had an issue with either of my Shields after countless rounds, 9mm or 45ACP. As far as the Sarsilmaz, I've yet to see a negative review.
Now for the walking mag release pin, chances are they probably mic'd all the pins they had available to find the most oversize to use in your pistol. Shoot the crap out of it and keep us up to speed on the results.
Well, maybe i am lucky...I made to 1000 rounds before my pin staring falling out. I thought the gunsmith did something when hi installed my new fiber optic sights but now i find the 2 threads started by Rocky and I see now there is a problem.
I am getting frustrated with this gun. I want to love it but...
On the other thread and maybe this one there was mention of Loc-Tite. There is a Loc-Tite for "cylindrical parts" that I have used and will probably try on this pin.
Loc-Tite 608 is for cylindrical parts that will be disassembled at some point is probably the one to try.
Loc-Tite 620 is the one for more permanent fixes and requires heat to break loose, like Loc-Tite Red.
I was thinking of buying a second R51 but I am really not sure now.
Quote from: Pat Riot on April 25, 2018, 06:23:33 AM
Well, maybe i am lucky...I made to 1000 rounds before my pin staring falling out. I thought the gunsmith did something when hi installed my new fiber optic sights but now i find the 2 threads started by Rocky and I see now there is a problem.
I am getting frustrated with this gun. I want to love it but...
On the other thread and maybe this one there was mention of Loc-Tite. There is a Loc-Tite for "cylindrical parts" that I have used and will probably try on this pin.
Loc-Tite 608 is for cylindrical parts that will be disassembled at some point is probably the one to try.
Loc-Tite 620 is the one for more permanent fixes and requires heat to break loose, like Loc-Tite Red.
I was thinking of buying a second R51 but I am really not sure now.
I know it's frustrating Pat, but hang in there and don't loose confidence. I would try the Loc-Tite and then go from there.
Oh, I will R51Fan. Thank you.
I plan to take it to the range today just to see exactly what conditions are causing this to happen. It's odd that it just started. I do know that it happened when shooting Fiocchi ammo which runs pretty hot. I am not sure how hot ammo would affect a mag release pin but who knows...or maybe it just got loose.
I am right handed but I find it easier to drop the mags with my trigger finger. I have pretty big hands and getting to the mag release with my right thumb is a little fumbly. I doubt the direction of travel for the mag release plays a part, but that's also something for me to look at.
PR
Pat,
I am not sure if you would ever plan on sending it back to Remington, but if not, you may want to try a roll pin or something before you do loc-tite. The only reason why I ask about shipping it back to the Big Green is it would void your warranty if they found a roll pin in there. ;)
Thanks R51Fan.
Well, I reseated the pin and went to the range to see if the pin loosened again and what conditions might cause it. The pin started moving on the second magazine of fire. I tried using both sides of the mag release, I tried different rounds with varying recoil. The pin moved about in all instances. The pin always moves to the right. I am sure recoil is the reason for the movement.
I will be calling Remington today to get it fixed properly.
Now if I could just figure out the reason it shoots low...but that is for another discussion.
Quote from: Pat Riot on April 27, 2018, 06:56:00 AM
Thanks R51Fan.
Well, I reseated the pin and went to the range to see if the pin loosened again and what conditions might cause it. The pin started moving on the second magazine of fire. I tried using both sides of the mag release, I tried different rounds with varying recoil. The pin moved about in all instances. The pin always moves to the right. I am sure recoil is the reason for the movement.
I will be calling Remington today to get it fixed properly.
Now if I could just figure out the reason it shoots low...but that is for another discussion.
Pat,
You aren't the only one who is having the problem of it shooting low. Mine shoots VERY low. Still scratching my head too. I wonder if I need to file my sights.
Quote from: R51Fan2017 on April 27, 2018, 07:21:35 AM
You aren't the only one who is having the problem of it shooting low. Mine shoots VERY low. Still scratching my head too. I wonder if I need to file my sights.
I had to mill the front sight .040" shorter on mine. With all the bragging that Remington did about testing millions of rounds of ammo before the re-release of the R51 you'd think they would have caught this early on and corrected it, or at least offered a few options in sight height.
Quote from: funflyer on April 27, 2018, 09:15:37 AM
I had to mill the front sight .040" shorter on mine. With all the bragging that Remington did about testing millions of rounds of ammo before the re-release of the R51 you'd think they would have caught this early on and corrected it, or at least offered a few options in sight height.
Todd,
More than likely, they were so focused on getting it to run right, they glossed over the sights. Simple mistake. But yes, they should have been more thorough.
I contacted Remington. They are sending me a shipping container to send the pistol back. When I told the man, Chris, about the mag pin he seemed to be aware of the problem and says they "will take care of it". He wouldn't tell me how. He said "we'll have to see what we see when we get in there".
I also mentioned the gun shooting 4" low at 7 - 10 yards and he said they would look into that as well. I told him I replaced the factory sights with Remington fiber optic sights that I bought from them.
So, I am hoping they can fix this.
Quote from: Pat Riot on April 27, 2018, 04:09:17 PM
I contacted Remington. They are sending me a shipping container to send the pistol back. When I told the man, Chris, about the mag pin he seemed to be aware of the problem and says they "will take care of it". He wouldn't tell me how. He said "we'll have to see what we see when we get in there".
I also mentioned the gun shooting 4" low at 7 - 10 yards and he said they would look into that as well. I told him I replaced the factory sights with Remington fiber optic sights that I bought from them.
So, I am hoping they can fix this.
Thanks for the update Pat. They aren't going to tell you how the fix is done, because they don't give up secrets that easy! ;D More than likely, they are just going to replace the pin with a new factory one and call it good.
I got my package in the mail yesterday for shipping the gun to Remington. The bonehead that took my call put a work order in saying "The magazine won't insert".
He also wrote that the gun shoots low with no other details. I wrote a complete explanation on the return sheet and put it in the gun box. The Tyvek envelope is all they send for shipping the gun. I really hope my box doesn't get messed up during shipment. Remington's shipping process really has a lot to be desired as compared to Smith & Wesson and Ruger. My hope is all goes well.
Quote from: Pat Riot on May 03, 2018, 05:01:30 PM
I got my package in the mail yesterday for shipping the gun to Remington. The bonehead that took my call put a work order in saying "The magazine won't insert".
He also wrote that the gun shoots low with no other details. I wrote a complete explanation on the return sheet and put it in the gun box. The Tyvek envelope is all they send for shipping the gun. I really hope my box doesn't get messed up during shipment. Remington's shipping process really has a lot to be desired as compared to Smith & Wesson and Ruger. My hope is all goes well.
Pat,
I am so hesitant about sending my guns off to get work on, I hardly ever do it. The nightmare of losing it in the mail keeps recurring to me. That's why I try to teach myself about each gun I buy to avoid this very thing. But hey, it's kinda hard to turn down free labor, even if it is incompetent! ;D D*** Remington sounds like they are out to lunch again. Good thing you wrote out a detailed note about what is wrong. That knucklehead wrote exactly the opposite of what is wrong with the "mag won't insert" crap. It won't stay in is more like it. I hope all goes well for you and your pistol Pat. Will keep my fingers crossed.
Rec'd my Charlotte back today. The service people and the turn around were very good. I had included in the shipment my single "very bad" mag (one of 6) and they replaced it with a new one. The new mag cycled the first round perfectly. The mag release pin stayed put. So far so good. To the range tomorrow. Fingers crossed. :)
Well, no word yet from Remington about my pistol.
I think I will call them tomorrow. In the note I wrote I asked them to call me. They have had the gun since last Weds. but no call.
Alas, it appears Remington needs a lesson in responsiveness.
Quote from: Rocky150 on May 17, 2018, 10:44:25 PM
Rec'd my Charlotte back today. The service people and the turn around were very good. I had included in the shipment my single "very bad" mag (one of 6) and they replaced it with a new one. The new mag cycled the first round perfectly. The mag release pin stayed put. So far so good. To the range tomorrow. Fingers crossed. :)
That is good news. Let us know how it goes. :D
Good news Rocky! Pat, hang in there. Remington was VERY slow responding to my cries for a new mag the first time around. It took them a week and a half before they finally shipped it out and sent an email. You are just experiencing first class Remington customer service ;D
Y'all are forgetting the Century drunken monkey crew... ;D
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LMAO^^^^^^^^!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Quote from: Engineerpower on May 20, 2018, 08:37:23 AM
Y'all are forgetting the Century drunken monkey crew... ;D
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Hilarious. ;D
Took Charlotte to the range today but did not clean her after being repaired and returned. I had two mags with me....the new one (#7) and trusty #3. Loaded #3 up and cycled the first round through her...a bit sticky and did not seat perfectly. Resolved with the butt of my hand. Fired the first round...FTE!. Cleared and re-chambered another round. FTE! ...Cleared and re-chambered. 150 round later...NO ISSUES!!!!. Both mags worked perfectly .Did not use sling shot method to seat the first round, rather I hand cycled. They performed perfectly. Most likely dirt from the repair was responsible for the early issues. I should have cleaned it before shooting it. WE ARE GOOD TO GO!!!!
RRR
Quote from: Rocky150 on May 22, 2018, 05:41:02 PM
Took Charlotte to the range today but did not clean her after being repaired and returned. I had two mags with me....the new one (#7) and trusty #3. Loaded #3 up and cycled the first round through her...a bit sticky and did not seat perfectly. Resolved with the butt of my hand. Fired the first round...FTE!. Cleared and re-chambered another round. FTE! ...Cleared and re-chambered. 150 round later...NO ISSUES!!!!. Both mags worked perfectly .Did not use sling shot method to seat the first round, rather I hand cycled. They performed perfectly. Most likely dirt from the repair was responsible for the early issues. I should have cleaned it before shooting it. WE ARE GOOD TO GO!!!!
RRR
Bad start to the afternoon! Glad she finished strong in the end though! Can you tell if they did anything out of the ordinary as far as the repair work goes, or does it still look like the same arrangement?
They definitely replaced the mag release pin. The release is much less smooth and requires more thumb strength but it is a super job. I suspect a thicker pin??. Hopefully it remains in place for the life of the piece. And I cannot say enough about the attitude of the reps at Remington. They were outstanding, open, forthright, and did exactly as they said. "Good on them"....
Regards to all.
RRR
Quote from: Rocky150 on May 22, 2018, 10:18:17 PM
They definitely replaced the mag release pin. The release is much less smooth and requires more thumb strength but it is a super job. I suspect a thicker pin??. Hopefully it remains in place for the life of the piece. And I cannot say enough about the attitude of the reps at Remington. They were outstanding, open, forthright, and did exactly as they said. "Good on them"....
Regards to all.
RRR
Funny that your pin requires more thumb strength. I know strength of each individual is relative, but mine requires both my thumbs to release my mags full and partial alike. And I think I have relatively good hand strength. It feels like binding almost, but can't say for certain. I wish I could see what is happening down in there.
It sounds to me like Remington's fix is s stiffer spring for pin retention. If that is the case they have just altered one of the things I liked about my R51 and that was ease of dropping a mag using my trigger finger.
My R51 is still back at Remington now for mag pin repair.
I called last week and was promised a call back but the call never came. I plan to call today.
PR
On my last 2 range visits (including today), my mag release pin exits out the right side. I've been using a brass hammer and punch to return it to its proper place. I'm wondering if peening the left end of the pin will cause it to hold better....
Quote from: shinerjohn on June 07, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
On my last 2 range visits (including today), my mag release pin exits out the right side. I've been using a brass hammer and punch to return it to its proper place. I'm wondering if peening the left end of the pin will cause it to hold better....
Peen, or trying an over-sized pin..?? Or for that matter, maybe a roll pin.
Quote from: shinerjohn on June 07, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
On my last 2 range visits (including today), my mag release pin exits out the right side. I've been using a brass hammer and punch to return it to its proper place. I'm wondering if peening the left end of the pin will cause it to hold better....
When mine came loose the pin would reinstall easily while inserting a mag. Try that next time. You may be stressing the aluminum around the pin hole of the frame by tapping it in.
I got a call from Remington last Friday and they are sending my gun back. They said the pin was fixed but wouldn't tell me what they did. I asked if they put a heavier spring in to help secure the pin and the man skirted the issue. I guess I will see when the gun gets back to me.
Thanks for the suggestion, Pat Riot! I'll definitely give that a try!
Now mine has caught the walking pin sickness. With a mag inserted it can be easily pushed back in. For now I just keep an eye on it. It only walked once during my range session yesterday but I know that these things don't fix themselves. If it starts happening more frequently then I'll send it in.
Quote from: Zenshot on June 27, 2018, 04:41:59 PM
Now mine has caught the walking pin sickness. With a mag inserted it can be easily pushed back in. For now I just keep an eye on it. It only walked once during my range session yesterday but I know that these things don't fix themselves. If it starts happening more frequently then I'll send it in.
Just for the record, how many rounds approx. do you have through it?
Quote from: R51Fan2017 on June 27, 2018, 06:01:40 PM
Quote from: Zenshot on June 27, 2018, 04:41:59 PM
Now mine has caught the walking pin sickness. With a mag inserted it can be easily pushed back in. For now I just keep an eye on it. It only walked once during my range session yesterday but I know that these things don't fix themselves. If it starts happening more frequently then I'll send it in.
Just for the record, how many rounds approx. do you have through it?
I've got close to 1000 rounds through it. It's the Charlotte model.
Quote from: Zenshot on June 27, 2018, 07:53:07 PM
I've got close to 1000 rounds through it. It's the Charlotte model.
All of the affected guns are in that round count range. Mine only has about 420 rounds in it, and I have no problems. I guess that means, in due time, it will rear it's ugly head with me too. Oh well, just waiting for the inevitable now! I know I sound like a broken record, but has anyone tried an over-sized or roll pin? It would save time in shipping it back to Remington, and it would also save the potential for something happening to the gun in the mail. I don't know why I have nightmares about losing my gun in the mail. So I do everything possible to avoid it. Just saying. ;)
My round count is right at 1,000 also. I've contacted Remington and am waiting for their shipping container.
Well, I got my R51 back from Remington a week and a half ago. It was nearly 7 weeks from the time I shipped it until I received it back. :(
They said they replaced the pin and polished the bolt - I have no idea why and they didn't say. They apparently also replaced the mag release pin spring because it was a little harder to press the release from either side.
I had decided that once I got the gun back I was going to sell it and buy a Glock. I went to 2 different gun dealers and to the Cabela's Gun Library. None would buy it, not even the dealer that sold it to me and he was the guy that I was buying the Glock 19X from.
So, I decided, what the heck. I'll keep it and enjoy it. Remington "fixed it", right?
Last weekend when I bought my Glock I also had the R51 with me and shot it at the range at my favorite gun shop. The focus of my time at the range was shooting my new Glock but I went ahead and put 28 rounds (4 magazines) through my R51. There must have still been some grit in the bolt from the polishing and I had a couple failures to fire - even though I thought I had cleaned the gun up pretty good once I received it back. I think there was some grit binding the firing pin, but I am suspicious o that.
Anyway, I shot 28 rounds and put the gun away. I took it to the range yesterday with my grandson. To save a little room in my gun bag I had inserted an empty mag into the gun and took the other 3 mags. At the range I was showing the pistol, to my grandson and explaining how it worked. I removed and inserted the empty magazine after showing him it was unloaded and was showing him how the magazine could be released from either side when the pin just popped out about 1/8" again on the right side. Rather than get angry and let it ruin my range time with my grandson I put the gun away.
It is obvious to me that Remington did replace the pin as the current pin has more longitudinal serrations. I tried to push the pin back with my fingers but couldn't get it to go in. I have decided to leave it as is and contact Remington, yet again, tomorrow.
I am not a happy camper. >:(
I have an unreliable firearm that I cannot trust and I cannot sell locally and would never pawn off on someone else knowing what I know about it.
When I was trying to sell this gun at Cabela's the manager stated that he would not buy any Charlotte R51, regardless of what "generation" it was. I figured he was just making excuses for not wanting to buy it...perhaps he was right...
I do know that I am not going to be a nice guy when I call Remington tomorrow. I have been nice and I have been patient. I am going to tell them I want the gun replaced.
That is not very encouraging! They have mine now to "fix" pin...
Sheesh, Pat, I am really ashamed of Remington on this deal. Of course, if you are looking to dump it, I would be happy to buy it from you, maybe for $50. ;) Anyways, a little duct tape over the hole should keep the pin from wandering too far away from home! ;D Sorry Pat, just trying to make light of a bad situation. So much for Remington taking care of their customers. The way they have handled you is unacceptable. Something tells me the whole Pedersen block assemble is screwed up. I say that because you seemed to have been having problems with the firing pin and such before you sent it in.
This is very discouraging. I don't blame you at all Pat for wanting to off that gun now. However, it might be a good idea to keep sending these back on Remington's dime just to get the point across that there's a definite problem that needs a viable fix.
Sounds like Remington has no permanent fix for the issue.
I shipped my gun back to Remington. The man I talked to could not apologize enough. He said they would look at why this is happening and said they'd fix it. After some back and forth about aluminum frames, steel pins and how long the frame would hold up under multiple pin replacements he said he would have the gun re-evaluated and their fix may be to replace the gun with a new Huntsville model.
We'll see.
Oh, and R51 Fan, Thank you gor your generous offer, but no thanks. ;)
Is this problem also happening with Huntsville guns?
Hasn't happened with my Huntsville model, but I still only have less than 500 rounds through it.
Quote from: Pat Riot on July 13, 2018, 11:22:44 AM
Is this problem also happening with Huntsville guns?
I have 420 rounds through my Huntsville, and nothing yet. Of course, when I work up to the 1,000 round mark, it may happen. It sounds like an inevitable problem to me. I hope I'm wrong!
I am having the issue and I'm around the 1,000 round mark. BUT, I don't know if I have a Huntsville model or not - Remington has my pistol! I could find nothing on the box that indicates where it was made. I THINK I remember seeing Huntsville on the slide or frame. When I get it back, I'll let y'all know.
so far my Huntsville hasn't had a wandering pin, but round count only >500. as an aside, if i do have the issue, i'm tempted to put it back in with red loctite and see if that keeps it in place. and if i never have the problem, so much the better. until more R51s get over the 1000 rd. number this issue will be hard to judge as a design oversight or an anomaly.
good luck with the repair from Remington.
-tdbru
Quote from: tdbru on July 17, 2018, 12:04:15 AM
so far my Huntsville hasn't had a wandering pin, but round count only >500. as an aside, if i do have the issue, i'm tempted to put it back in with red loctite and see if that keeps it in place. and if i never have the problem, so much the better. until more R51s get over the 1000 rd. number this issue will be hard to judge as a design oversight or an anomaly.
good luck with the repair from Remington.
-tdbru
Red loctite will not help. There is a Loctite for cylindrical interfaces that may work but it takes 500 degrees to free the part once this stuff is cured.
Quote from: Pat Riot on July 19, 2018, 06:09:20 AM
There is a Loctite for cylindrical interfaces that may work but it takes 500 degrees to free the part once this stuff is cured.
Now that's more along the lines of what we need right there! Don't want it working out again period!
I have decided that if Remington does not replace my pistol and sends my Charlotte gun back I will try a roll pin if the problem rears its ugly gear again.
I am going to call Remington in Monday and see if they have had a chance to look at my gun. They have had it for a week now.
They received mine on July 9. I received email this morning that it is being evaluated. I sent the pistol in with the pin still sticking out.
Quote from: Pat Riot on July 20, 2018, 06:43:52 PM
I have decided that if Remington does not replace my pistol and sends my Charlotte gun back I will try a roll pin if the problem rears its ugly gear again.
Pat,
Please do, as I think that will fix it for you. Also, if you have to go there, report back with any issues afterward. However, I firmly believe that a roll pin will fix you up. If it doesn't, you have my permission to sue me for suggesting it in the first place and screwing up your gun. No, wait, please don't do that! ;D
I received my pistol about an hour ago. They "replaced the mag catch pin, safety/function check."
I hope to hit the range tomorrow. For the record: mine is a Charlotte, NC pistol.
Both of my mag release buttons work more smoothly than before. Maybe they accomplished something....
My range trip was very satisfying! I fired 107 rounds down range and the new mag release pin staying right where it belongs! I will continue to watch it closely and report any problems back to y'all. :D
Quote from: shinerjohn on July 29, 2018, 11:23:32 PM
My range trip was very satisfying! I fired 107 rounds down range and the new mag release pin staying right where it belongs! I will continue to watch it closely and report any problems back to y'all. :D
Very good John! Glad to hear!