My brother in law is a Remington employee and text me earlier this evening that 2000 R-51's have already been made in the new Huntsville facility. Exact release date hasn't been stated, but when he finds out I will bring that info here.
Great news. Thanks for passing it on.
Guys,
I have also heard, from someone who is in an executive position, something similar with greater detail.
The wait is almost over... I will let you know when mine arrives.
T3
I also got word that Para Ordinance does not exist anymore. Upon the transition to Huntsville they relinquished their lines to Remington, and now they are all Remington Pistols. The timeline isn't exact on when this news will be made public, or when the R-51's will be hitting shelves again, but it's anticipated to be very soon.
This news come from one of the CEO's at the Huntsville Alabama facility.
Quote from: JRLeathUSMC on April 26, 2016, 08:39:41 PM
My brother in law is a Remington employee and text me earlier this evening that 2000 R-51's have already been made in the new Huntsville facility. Exact release date hasn't been stated, but when he finds out I will bring that info here.
Thanks for the head's up. :)
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
Thanks for the update. ;D ;D ;D
Found this on another site this afternoon. Doesn't sound like it is going to be anytime soon. This was posted 2 May 2016.
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For what it's worth, I spoke to new Remington CEO Jim "Marco" Marcotuli over dinner a few weeks ago and asked him about the R51. He said his engineers and testers are still working with it making sure it doesn't face the same QC problems the original run did. ROC actually said the R51 would be re-introduced at NRA Show 2015 -- and we all know that didn't happen. I followed up with him and asked, how can it be worth it for you to invest so much time, effort and money into a carry pistol that will have such a potentially limited market? And straight up he said "it's about our reputation." That might not be enough to restore trust, but it's a pretty honest answer in my book.
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Then there is conflicting information out there. I just got this from Remington
QuoteDear Richard Brown,
"We appreciate your patience as we continue our efforts to re-launch the R51. Currently we don't have a timeframe for the re-introduction but our Huntsville R&D center is working to have it back on the market as soon as possible."
Due to the extended delay Remington is offering you one of the below options.
#1 Opt for a replacement with an 1911 (Item #96323) Will require a FFL dealer to do transfer.
#2 Wait until their release. We do not have a current ETA.
#3 Send in your receipt for a refund
Again we apologize for the inconvenience and look forward to hearing from you soon.
Quote from: ourichie on June 07, 2016, 09:41:53 AM
Then there is conflicting information out there. I just got this from Remington
QuoteDear Richard Brown,
"We appreciate your patience as we continue our efforts to re-launch the R51. Currently we don't have a timeframe for the re-introduction but our Huntsville R&D center is working to have it back on the market as soon as possible."
Due to the extended delay Remington is offering you one of the below options.
#1 Opt for a replacement with an 1911 (Item #96323) Will require a FFL dealer to do transfer.
#2 Wait until their release. We do not have a current ETA.
#3 Send in your receipt for a refund
Again we apologize for the inconvenience and look forward to hearing from you soon.
And this is what really makes me angry. Remington knows something. They either know they can't fix this and are just kicking the can down the road or they know they are going to fix it and know how soon the plan to have it fixed. The fact they won't be honest with their customers is what ensures I will not be buying another Remington product under their current management structure. I don't think they can find their a__ with both hands.
Over on the Remington Owner's forum one gentleman is claiming Remington asked him to supply info on his preferred FFL holder that he wanted his Gen 2 replacement shipped to. Anyone else hear anything?
I have just this moment received the email from Remington requesting my FFL info.
Barry
I received mine also, sent in my information and now the countdown begins. :)
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/06/22/breaking-remington-reintroduces-the-r51-pistol/
Dang, I feel sooooo bad for being a "Remington shill," and insisting that Remington would release Gen 2 eventually.
I think this particular "shill" will mosey over to one of my favorite LGS's soon and put in a pre-order for a new one.
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
Guys,
I just talked with Remington and was told to expect my new R51 in about a week. GunsAmerica Weekly has an article about it today also. The eblast has started. GA also reiterated that WE who have been waiting for so long are going to be the first to receive the new pistols. When they start being received, make sure to post your comments about the changes and your range experiences.
Near future beta tester,
T3
I just got a call from my FFL at about 3 and I just picked up my new Remington R51 looks nice so far I haven't had much chance to look at it or check it out much yet just thought I'd post.
I got a call from remington last friday. I gave the nice lady my local FFL contact info. Just waiting and reading the updates. Great news Dwight. 2 years wait is coming to an end.
I got mine back today. Received a call from my FFL around 3:30 pm CST telling me it had arrived. Stopped by after work and started filling out paperwork. In the package was a new retail box containing my R51, two mags, a new lock, and manuals; a box containing a pelican case; and a plastic bag containing two more mags. So add those to the two they told me not to send back and I've now got 6 mags. I wanted to clean the gun and properly function test so I brought it home with no rounds through tonight.
I forgot what a bear this thing is to disassemble and reassemble. But everything seems to be working properly. The slide does feel much smoother than what I remember in my original which was very stiff and clunky along the way. The trigger is now plastic opposed to metal as before. I'm not sure why they skeletonized a plastic trigger but it looks nice enough. Not much take up and comes back to a stiff but clean break (not sure weight yet) at prob 6-8lbs. Reset feels long but not bad with no audible click a just the slightest feel. This could still use some work. But I'm sure I'll get the feel for it on the range.
I was a bit disappointed in the fit and finish still black coating out of the box was scratch on the edges of grip safety and there's a gouge in the edge of the spring bushing. Finish also missing from 2points of checkering on front strap.
Picked mine up this morning from my FFL holder. Seems a little strange to have a new gun without any receipt that shows I purchased it. No way to prove it is mine to the casual observer. I guess the only record will be at the FFL holder and Remington. Need to get it cleaned up and then have a cooler day so I can give it a try.
Glad they're finally sending them out. I got an email about getting my replacement - not sure why, I took the r1 deal about a month ago - contacted them, and they said they sent in by accident.
I can't wait to hear how gen 2 is. I'm looking forward to getting another one when they hit retail if all sounds good.
I got mine today. Finish is perfect. Slide is s smooth. Seems good. I need to shoot it.
I shot a box of Remington FMJ and a magazine of Remington Critical Defense through mine. It functioned fine, but the plastic trigger is a real problem. Mine is so lose it wobbles back and forth about an 1/8". No, I'm not sending it back for repair. I've got it, I'm not giving it back to Remington. Hopefully someone will soon come out with a replacement metal trigger.
Picked up mine today, originally kept both my mags and just sent in the pistol in the box.
Got back the pistol, 4 mags and the pelican case.
Noticed the new mags have a raised area on the follower that the old ones do not have.
Will Post again after trip to range, curious to see how, and if, the older mags perform in the gen2.
MailMc, any chance you could upload a picture showing the differences in the old and new mags? Thanks in advance.
How about some range reports guys.
There is a good utube video on the differences in the magazines.
Check out RyeOnHam on YouTube. He's got a few videos of the gen 2, including 100 rounds of range time.
Interesting, much of the public literature claims the Gen 2 R51's will all show they were manufactured in Alabama. However, mine shows it was manufactured in Charlotte, NC. There is some info out there that those of us who were the first to receive our replacements have received items which were assembled with frames left over from the Charlotte operation. Not sure what to make of that.
Any word on stores selling them to the general public yet?
I just put one on backorder yesterday thru a local gun shop. I don't know which distributor he ordered it thru, but they did accept the order. I guess that means they're in production.
I got my replacement R51 a couple weeks ago. Very nice lady from Remington called me with the good news. I probed her a little for info, and she stated the R51 production line is about up to full speed. She also stated soon as they verify everyone getting a replacement has been contacted they will send product out to retailers.
The Remington website now has the R51 on it and states august 12 it will be on shelves.
I wonder which selves they will be on? The wholesaler or the retailer? I wanted one of these R51's in 2014, then Remington did the total recall. It was really surprising to me that they had so many mechanical problems.
Hopefully, all is well. I plan on buying or trading for one soon. The R51 is a beautiful pistol, and reminds me of the Remington 51 .380 I once owned. It was a fine pistol that recoiled like a .22.
The manual for the R51 can be downloaded from Remington.com.
It looks like Remngton has done a lot of redesign work before releasing the Gen 2s.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/07/24/breakingremington-announces-new-r51-now-sale-local-gunshop/
I checked with my local dealers (4), and only one has a distributor who has the R51 in stock. However, he has to buy $3,000 of merchandise before they will sell him an R51.
Some good information here on the field testing, etc. Glad to find out about the firing pin spring, use snap cap when dry firing, and that Remington is providing good customer service. I do not know when I will find one. Sounds like this forum is the one to stay tuned to.
P.S. From what I can determine, it seems that the pistol Remington is competing against is the Ruger LC9s. They have their work cut out for them, for the LC9s is a mighty fine pocket 9mm. A range test between these two pistols would be interesting to read!
I had a gen 1 R51, and currently have an LC9S pro. Short story is the r51 had less recoil, better sight picture, and was more comfortable in my hand. The LC9S has a very narrow grip, And the R51 felt more like a ppk. Just my 2 cents.
ComingCurse it is good to know the R51 has less recoil than the LC9s. Price check at a local shop is $355.00 for the R51 when they get them in stock. They currently sell the LC9s for $365.00.
Yes, it's true that the R51 is competing against the LC9s. It's competing against any 9mm gun within a $75 range, plus or minus (or less sometimes), with roughly similar dimensions. It's competing against the Kel Tec PF9 (and P11, for that matter). The Kahr CW9. The Bersa BP9CC. The Beretta Nano. The SCCY CPX guns. The M&P Shield. The Taurus 709 and PT111.
Even if you only count single-column magazine guns, there's still quite a few. It's a fairly crowded market. After the dreadful first Gen experience in the public consciousness, the Gen 2 will have to be flawless. But there's already a lot of misinformation and even disinformation. I was listening to the Firearms Radio Network - This Week In Guns podcast from July 22. The topic of the reintroduction of the R51 came up and one of the hosts claimed that a friend of his ordered the new Gen 2, against the advice of the LGS, had it delivered, and then had immediate problems with it. One of the other hosts asked, "The new reegineered version?" to which he replied, "yes." Wrong. They're not available yet. Only those who have been waiting for their returned service-work guns.
However, ComingCurse is quite correct about the comfort of shooting the R51. On my Gen 1 - The trigger pull was pretty good. The racking force of the slide was very nice. It was very comfortable in the hand. The sights were good; easy to pick up. And, most impressively, it had the felt recoil of a full-sized, all-steel pistol.
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
Kirk, there may be some reason concern with the gen 2, as seen with s some posts on here, as well as the YouTube channel from RyeOnHam - he unboxes, disassembles, and shots his replacement R51. I'll still buy a gen 2 (despite the plastic trigger), and hope for the best. ;D
Quote from: ComingCurse on August 03, 2016, 02:07:24 PM
Kirk, there may be some reason concern with the gen 2, as seen with s some posts on here, as well as the YouTube channel from RyeOnHam - he unboxes, disassembles, and shots his replacement R51. I'll still buy a gen 2 (despite the plastic trigger), and hope for the best. ;D
Richard Mann discusses one of the RoH complaints: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUAPd-3GW5M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUAPd-3GW5M)
Gunblast: http://www.gunblast.com/Remington-R51v2.htm (http://www.gunblast.com/Remington-R51v2.htm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS3HZwBt-bs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS3HZwBt-bs)
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
Glad to see other reviewers chiming in! How have you found your gen2 Kirk?
Quote from: ComingCurse on August 10, 2016, 09:50:30 PM
Glad to see other reviewers chiming in! How have you found your gen2 Kirk?
My LGS has one but I just had a Central Air Conditioning repair suck away my funds. I've pretty much decided to sell the 1911R1 which Rem sent me in order to fund the R51.
Found some funds that I forgot I had. Bought my R51 on Friday afternoon. Took it to the range on Saturday. Had the range all to myself. 250 rounds, the two new magazines and the one original magazine I kept. 2 feed failures, both of which were off of the original magazine. I conclude that the advice from Remington to not use the original magazines for anything except range spares is spot on.
Before I took it to the range, I broke it down and cleaned/lubed with Breakfree CLP. After about 200 rounds, the gun got "sticky" feeling. I relubed it with a few drops of oil on the rails, which cleared that up.
Sights are pretty good. They stayed in place the whole range trip.
Recoil is just as pleasant as the Gen 1.
The plastic trigger looks cheesy but worked without any problems.
I believe that the recoil spring is heavier than the Gen 1's.
I stoked it with some Hornady Critical Duty and CCed it. It carries comfortably.
I'll do a full review for another forum which I participate on.
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk