problems with r-51

[DUTCH Van Atlanta]

However, one must realize that ammo can and is a big factor.  The gun cant be any better than what one feeds it.  Unlike some other folks on other guns, I dont believe that every gun should run every brand/type ammo out there!

I find way too much divation in any ONE BRAND of ammo, that one could reasonably expect ANY gun to run them ALL perfectly!

I have a Beretta 92FS, , a CZ75, a CZ83 and a Sig Blackwater.  All have worked flawlessly on whatever ammo (including Russian steel) I've used without the first glitch - not one! - in a lot of years.  It is a real disappointment that a company like Remington has put out such a glitchy pistol as the R51.  A major manufacturer's product should not require the amount of kludging this pistol requires.

Even though I've modified the mags and run several hundred rounds through it, the R51 is still not reliable enough for me to use for CC.

Just my personal experience.  Happy Christmas!

[R51Fan2017]

I have used all types of ammo (steel and brass, FMJ and JHP), American made ammo, and modified the magazines, and my R51 runs flawlessly. In fact, after 300 rounds, not a hitch. I have shot my reloads in it, and it eats those too. Listen up. I have had a GLOCK choke on itself before. You heard me right, I said GLOCK!    After looking at it, it turned out to be a faulty mag release. It wasn't allowing the mag to fully lock itself in, and after each shot, it would disengage the mag, making it (wait for it!)  a single shot Glock! But wait! Glock is perfect! This can't happen! Oh yes it did! Had I had posted that on youtube and called Glock out for making crap guns, everyone would be saying "no, it isn't the gun, it has to be something else". They would have been right, and I would have been wrong. Case in point with the R51. It's a good gun, but the magazines are crap. They are what is causing the trouble. NOT THE GUN! This is the nature of the automatic pistol. They are only as good as their magazine. It's like a house. If the foundation is bad, it don't matter how good you build the structure. You are in for some bad trouble when that foundation goes!  And back in J. M. Browning's day, automatics were VERY finicky about what ammo they got fed. Yes, we have had major improvements in manufacturing and design, but it doesn't change the fact, that automatics WILL ALWAYS BE PICKY ABOUT WHAT AMMO THEY LIKE. Precisely why I love my revolver's so much. They will literally eat, ANYTHING. And I have had my share of good autos in my time, mostly 1911's XD's, a Glock on loan, and now the R51.

[JDCRAB]

I have had good results with mine.  After putting about 300 rounds through it, I have had just a couple of problems.

#1 is that is I shoot Tulammo in it, the bullets tumble, going through the target sideways.

#2 is that it will not reliably extract WW white box ammo, leaving the empty case still chambered.

I cannot see what is the problem in either issue.  The groove diameter checks out at .355" on the nose.  And I can find no dimensional difference in the extraction groove on the WW brass.  The solution is simple; no tulammo or WW white box ammo will be used in this gun.

BTW, both of these ammo choices function perfectly in my other 2 9MM semi auto guns.

[mr220v]

However, one must realize that ammo can and is a big factor.  The gun cant be any better than what one feeds it.  Unlike some other folks on other guns, I dont believe that every gun should run every brand/type ammo out there!

I find way too much divation in any ONE BRAND of ammo, that one could reasonably expect ANY gun to run them ALL perfectly!

I have a Beretta 92FS, , a CZ75, a CZ83 and a Sig Blackwater.  All have worked flawlessly on whatever ammo (including Russian steel) I've used without the first glitch - not one! - in a lot of years.  It is a real disappointment that a company like Remington has put out such a glitchy pistol as the R51.  A major manufacturer's product should not require the amount of kludging this pistol requires.

Even though I've modified the mags and run several hundred rounds through it, the R51 is still not reliable enough for me to use for CC.

Just my personal experience.  Happy Christmas!

I see you're in Atlanta.  Want to trade a walther Ccp for that r51?

[Chokejug]

And I have a Boberg X9L that the manufacturer even recomends certain ammo not be used.
(I believe its present maker, Bond Arms, still issue the same warning)

Anyway, I have used just about every thing else that I could get my hands on, and it has never had a problem with any of them.

That said, I stayed completely away from any of the known trouble making ammo.

Damn right, I would carry and trust it completely.
With the right ammo of course!

Just as I would, (AND AM), my present R51s!
But I would and will carefully pick the ammo that I use.
Although they will shoot steel cased ammo "good", its not going to happen by me.

But that doesnt preclude the guns use for SD by any means, with ammo that has proven itself.  (Totally unlike some writers have a habit of doing)

[DUTCH Van Atlanta]

I see you're in Atlanta.  Want to trade a walther Ccp for that r51?

Thanks, but no thanks.  I have enough pistols.  If I do decide to dump the R51, it will be sold not traded.  Thanks again for the offer.

[mr220v]

Get Remington to send you some new mags.  I bought a second r51 with one crappy mag.  Put it in my last gun, which has been pretty flawless, and suddenly it's nosediving, doublefeeding, etc......

I think the guns themselves are fine.  The mags are most of the problem.

[DUTCH Van Atlanta]

Get Remington to send you some new mags.  I bought a second r51 with one crappy mag.  Put it in my last gun, which has been pretty flawless, and suddenly it's nosediving, doublefeeding, etc......

I think the guns themselves are fine.  The mags are most of the problem.

They did send me two a couple of weeks ago.  Since they appeared to be the same as what came with the gun, I just threw them in my gun bag where they continue to lay.  I haven't had the time to go to the range since, but I don't have a lot of hope.  Remington, for me with this pistol, has been a big let down.

[funflyer]

Listen up. I have had a GLOCK choke on itself before. You heard me right, I said GLOCK!    After looking at it, it turned out to be a faulty mag release. It wasn't allowing the mag to fully lock itself in, and after each shot, it would disengage the mag, making it (wait for it!)  a single shot Glock! But wait! Glock is perfect! This can't happen! Oh yes it did! Had I had posted that on youtube and called Glock out for making crap guns, everyone would be saying "no, it isn't the gun, it has to be something else". They are only as good as their magazine.

Exactly!!!

When I was researching 380s I remember reading about G-42 having issue after issue and, when it was all said and done, the G-42 underwent something like five magazine updates to correct all those issues. I know there were also many other Glock models that did the same thing and had mag fixes also. So I would throw that in the face of any Glock fan who says they won't ever buy an R51 because of reliability issues. I'd also ask how many chances are considered okay and still warrant buying a gun because, if the R51 is out after only one change (so far) then all the Glocks owners badmouthing the R51are just a bunch of damn hypocrites.

[R51Fan2017]

I'd also ask how many chances are considered okay and still warrant buying a gun because, if the R51 is out after only one change (so far) then all the Glocks owners badmouthing the R51are just a bunch of damn hypocrites.

That's why it pays not to be a gun snob. How many times have I heard, "My Glock won't ever fail me." Epic. Guess, what? A gun is a mechanical being. ANYTHING MECHANICAL WILL FAIL!!!! Did you hear me? WILL FAIL!!! It is only a matter of time, but it WILL FAIL!  Glocks are mechanical, and one day, they will take a big dump. Guaranteed.

[1911SHOOTER]

I think it is important to know how many of us have had an issue of any kind there are over 90 registered members on forum. I believe it would be helpful to know the percentage of pistols with problems and our results. maybe I will forward this post to Remington after the poll completes.

Iquit,
     The only problems I have had is with the magazines.   I have had to modify them to make them reliable.
If you are going to pass this info to Big Green,  call them on the phone and request to speak to a gunsmith.
Anybody else is REMF.
Blackie