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Author Topic: serial numbers again for R51G2 Smoke  (Read 538 times)

Gorillaman

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serial numbers again for R51G2 Smoke
« on: December 19, 2020, 11:39:22 AM »
Gentlemen, I have a Smokey R51, G2 from Huntsville and its #H014XXX.  I saw post on members "Sebvox" and "R51FAN2017" about serial numbers and wanted to put my 2 cents worth if they are building info on serial numbers.  Just curious about the date and month mine was made also but really just wanted a Huntsville gun and it was important on the purchase and then I just thought it would be easy to find the serial number breakdown o the net and it turns out to be harder than I thought.  The G1 had issues and I feel bad for Remington and the stigma that started to get out there but still wanted one if they worked it out. Thought I had time and then the plant started to close.  I finally found one and mine does not fit into your number ranges from the comments unless I'm seeing it wrong.   I asked a friend that uses a certain gun dealer that handled those guns and he mentions that all of the R51s frames, some were made in NC or Huntsville, "stamping" a Huntsville gun in NC but assembled in Huntsville.  Not sure how accurate but he said if they have the H on the serial number its a Huntsville gun.  He said all the smoke ones were marked HSV but they used the same serial prefix across both locations????  My co-worker has a new gun digest book and he says all R51G2 Smoke guns are from 2018 thru 2019 and I think from Huntsville. I haven't seen the page he was reading from but could scan it when I get back to work to confirm that smoke is only Huntsville but I think I have seen a post of a smoke that was from NC?  I just wanted to mention that mine was a different serial number range from the post back in April from "SEBVOX" when he was trying to compile a list.

Hope this helps or starts more comments on finding out the facts. 

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Re: serial numbers again for R51G2 Smoke
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2020, 03:40:06 AM »
Gman, that is very interesting that your smoke model has the serial number H014XXXR51.  Supposedly there were about 65,000 total units produced.  It is hard to get information from Remington on the production because of the recall and other litigations.  The list that I have of known serial numbers is only 185 owners long, but a good sampling from Prototypes, NC Gen 1s, NC Gen 2s, Huntsville Gen 2s, and Huntsville Smoke models.  I haven't tried calling customer service since the sell off, so I don't know if it is an option anymore, but you used to be able to call and they would tell you the production month and year of your R51.  Your serial number would suggest a spring 2017 production.  Maybe your lower frame was held over until the fall of 2017 when smokes were sold.  Or it could be an early test design that was proposed before the actual run happened.  That would be very cool, the prototype smoke model! 

I have never seen a lower frame marked "HSV", but all smokes are from Huntsville.  I would be very interested in your co-worker's gun digest book pages.  You should post the scans for all to see.

Just curious about your purchase, did it come in the original Remington box?  Was the box marked with material #96234?
« Last Edit: January 15, 2021, 02:01:52 AM by sebvox »
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Re: serial numbers again for R51G2 Smoke
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2020, 06:02:56 AM »
I haven't seen a photo of yours but here is one that has a similar serial number with a strange colored frame.  Could be the lighting.  The box for this one says that it is a 96430 all black model.
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Re: serial numbers again for R51G2 Smoke
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2020, 03:10:52 PM »
Sebvox,

Yes mine was a complete box with everything in there except for the red wire lock and was bought at a gun store.  It was marked and was classified as a 96234-Blemish according to worker and on a label put over the original label.  It was put over on the used gun side out of sight.  They had a R51G1 from NC and this one.  You can see in picture it has a slight mark that made it not perfect so I assumed it was why it couldn't be sold as a brand new gun. I actually went that day trying to buy a 45 1911 gun made from Huntsville from an add the store put out stating last ones from Huntsville. He said he would go check and hunted for the 45 1911 but said walking away that a few days earlier they all sold out quick even before the add came out.  I was about to walk away and decided to asked if he had any 9MM just for the heck of it, because that's what I have wanted all along.  He said, we have one classified as a used Blem.  I was excited even if it was a used return and wanted to take a chance and I did.  I cannot seem to find a good enough mark inside the chamber to think it's even been shot and my co-worker believed that also.  Either way, the small mark is not enough to really detract me from grabbing it, and it could possibly be a put together from spare parts or something from the factory.  I'm not sure but unless it doesn't fire or work I'm happy and wanted a Huntsville gun.  I'm not an expert on these but I still need to take apart and check wear and get to know the gun and run some rounds through it to verify.  Ammo is crazy high these days and puts a strain on just shooting for fun for testing.  I will scan the page from my co-workers book and mention the actual name of the book etc. I need to verify anyway if all G2 smokes are made in Huntsville or not and if it was actually written in the digest.

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Re: serial numbers again for R51G2 Smoke
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2020, 11:12:02 PM »
Update on gun digest price book. No mention about Huntsville as I thought.  Still has info about years made for G1 & G2.  My uneducated guess is they could be frames sitting there with serial numbers and not assembled for months later because of all the recall work.  From info I have seen on this forum it's not easy to find a month made from serial numbers and get someone to respond from Remington.  Hope the images can help someone.


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Re: serial numbers again for R51G2 Smoke
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2020, 11:16:45 PM »
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Re: serial numbers again for R51G2 Smoke
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2020, 02:37:59 AM »
Even though all manufacturing was moved to Huntsville in March of 2015, frames marked Charlotte were still being used up through December 2016 in Huntsville.  The first frames marked Huntsville start in January 2017.  All Smoke models are indeed made in Huntsville as they were introduced in September 2017.  Also, just because an R51 is marked Charlotte does not make it a G1.  G1s had a couple identifiers: R51 logo on the slide is in a different location and the sights do not have set screws.  The G1s also came in a bright green box rather than the new hunter green box. 

The Blue Book of Gun Values has some incorrect information - the G2 was reintroduced to original owners on June 23, 2016 and to the public on August 12, 2016. Production was suspended in fall 2018.

I think that you are right that at the end of the production run they started using any and all extra parts to assemble guns and get them out the door.  I also think that your pistol could very well be the factory prototype model for the "Smoke" color variation.  This could explain the out of sequence serial number, blemish and used status.  Either way, it is going to be difficult to verify any information on the gun now.

The first thing I would do to your gun, to make sure it works properly, is to trim the legs on the magazine followers.  This will solve most problems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZBnEgdQvUU

This post shows the other things to do to the pistol to get it ready: http://r51pistol.com/r51-general-discussion/steps-to-a-fully-functional-model-r51/

If you are interested in the timeline of NC to AL production, this is a post that will shed some light on the matter: http://r51pistol.com/remington-r51-facts-and-specs/a-brief-history-of-the-r51/
« Last Edit: January 15, 2021, 01:09:30 AM by sebvox »
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Re: serial numbers again for R51G2 Smoke
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2021, 03:00:07 AM »
Even though all manufacturing was moved to Huntsville in March of 2015, frames marked Charlotte were still being used up through December 2016 in Huntsville.  The first frames marked Huntsville start in January 2017.  All Smoke models are indeed made in Huntsville as they were introduced in September 2017.  Also, just because an R51 is marked Charlotte does not make it a G1.  G1s had a couple identifiers: R51 logo on the slide is in a different location and the sights do not have set screws.

I think that you are right that at the end of the production run they started using any and all extra parts to assemble guns and get them out the door.  I also think that your pistol could very well be the factory prototype model for the "Smoke" color variation.  This could explain the out of sequence serial number, blemish and used status.  Either way, it is going to be difficult to verify any information on the gun now.

No doubt at the end of production, Remingtons assembly line was probably very similar to Walther’s at the end of the War: use what parts you have left and get something functional out the door. It would be very interesting if your smoke model is indeed a factory prototype. The out of sequence serial number would suggest that as Remington might have pulled the frame from the line and set it aside for some reason. Thanks for posting!
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